To leave MumsNet because it's becoming RadFeministNet?

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Had enough of their agenda being forced down my throat whether I want it or not. Major recruitment drive going on lately, and serious opression of other posters views. Just gets worse and worse. This was not what I believed MN was supposed to be about.

I'm off.

Lots of people get their jollies with a good ol froth. They work themselves up with successive posts until there is a kind of group orgasm at the hanging drawing and quartering of eg the amsterdam person.

It's helpful to observe, makes the rise of Hitler et al so much easier to understand. Herd frothing.

I don't agree LyingWitch

If people are going to make allegations of wholesale bullying then then they should back that up and ask MN to investigate, as it's against the ethos of the site.

Hully, why call it frothing and not bullying?

If it results in a group orgasm at the hanging drawing and quartering of an OP, is that "a good ol froth"?

It was the people supporting the sexist guys on the Amsterdam thread who were doing the bullying, not the radfems.

When feminists are accused of bullying generally the behaviour is unequivocally sticking to their point of view, instead of rolling over for the status quo, as ladies should do.

no no, I don't mean the fems froth.

they do something quite different.

Look, if there is bullying, get MNHQ to investigate. Or c and p examples. What's wrong with doing that?

Somebody earlier listed 4 threads where bullying had taken place. I said "Really? That one?" and the person retracted. Good for them. But when I said "and this one?" they said they were too busy to check. Which makes me a bit. They also mentioned the Amsterdam thread, which has been cited before. I will read that I've got a spare hour. If there is bullying of course it must stop. But more than one person disagreeing with you if you make q controversial statement isn't bullying. If it is, I have been seriously bullied on this thread!

The rad fems, including me, stuck up for the OP on the Amsterdam thread.

What we're seeing here is a small group of people with a gigantic buzzy bee in their bonnet about feminism/radical feminism, continually criticsing and attacking the feminists and hoping some mud will stick. Which it has. The feminists/rad fems on Mumsnet are no worse than anybody else for robustness in arguments and sticking to their point of view. Their robustness is also generally in favour of feminist principles rather than wanting to demonstrate who is top dog which should be a bonus in our favour.

I agree with flippinada. If you think there is bullying on a thread then it should be raised on that thread, or raised with MNHQ. Making a separate thread about it is just attention seeking imo.

I can give specific examples of personal attacks against feminists on this thread. No mentioning of cbem's personal attacks last night? No, much rather make general and unsubstantiated claims of bullying on other threads. Ad nauseam.

Yes seeker, I believe that is probably because that particular poster's own conduct was questioned on that thread - and he was pulled up on it at the time - on the thread.

Well as Catgirl said once that there was no physical proof, why keep asking and harping on about it?

From what I've seen of posts here and there is that they are reported and MNHQ do delete them. That would be evidence then of contravening the guidelines wouldn't it?

Yes, possibly Lying.

MrG has a deletion on this this thread, and he is one poster who keeps making generalised accusations of bullying on other threads. The op has a deletion (the only one) on the stripclub thread. I have reported cbem's comments from last night. So I think at the very least one could argue that the personal attacks/bullying happens to the radfems as well.

running... there seem to have been a lot of posts deleted for whatever reason. I didn't read them as I wasn't here when they were live.

It's all getting a bit 'tribal' and silly, isn't it? If you're honest - none of this discussion matters a jot, it's just women railing against each other as they always do. For me chatboard time is a pleasant diversion, it really isn't something that I'm going to invest to much time and personal angst over because it's futile. People that enjoy having a 'froth' will do so, whatever it is dressed up as. Best of luck to them.

Bloody hell, I've just read the Amsterdam thread![get a life emoticon]. The only person bullied on that thread was the op. I am amazed at her calmness- she was sworn at twice in the first 10 posts or so and it went downhill from there. I am boggled at the anti-feminists or whatever we should call them thinking that thread supports their case. Simply boggled.

One of the other things about the bullying of the Mumsnet Feminists/Rad fems is that a lot of these people refer to us in a group, and apparently it's OK to say whatever you like about a group of people, even if they are readily identifiable Mumsnetters, and it won't be deleted.

The anti-feminists are using that as a way in to keep their attacks going.

The OP on the Amsterdam thread got bullied for doing something feminist as well, being aware of men's misogynistic behaviour and holding them accountable for it.

x-posted with you running.

I won't disagree with you there, the personal attacks and bullying happens when individuals think they own the board and have some kind of status they need to maintain. That's it the world over as far as I'm concerned.

I'm interested in certain things, not so much in others, like the majority of posters on MN and at the end of it all, this is just a chatboard.

The 'anti-feminist' label is really quite offensive. If you wanted to stir and kick up trouble it would be the ideal moniker really, wouldn't it?

It's stupid spats like this thread that make me think that the discussios should be polarised onto the relevant boards. At least then, those on the feminist board would not be bullied.

Bullying is a troublesome word and not always the right one.

I don't like anti feminist either. What would you like to be called?

Agree with you, Hully, it's overused and misplaced. To me it's more like a spat, some 'ganging up' and a heap of childishness, intolerance and petulance. I suppose many of us can be guity of that at some point but it's very sad for me when women do it to each other. What's the point of it all?

seeker... Lying or LyingWitch* or somesuch, if it's all the same with you I don't' identify as NOT being a feminist, with your permission.

There are anti-feminists here. We've been being trolled by them for ages. Have a look at the thread again and see if you can spot them LyingWitch.

It's interesting that bullying only becomes a problematic word when it's pointed out that the feminists on Mumsnet have been on the receiving end of it.

No, Nyac, I won't 'see if I can spot them', sheesh. 'Troll'' is another much misused word here.

I identify with the poster individually, not groups or affiliations. It works fine for me like that.

Feminists and AIBU/other posters embroiled in this spat seem to have enjoyed it equally... otherwise they wouldn't, would they?

Who said so, Nyac? It's the wrong word entirely, as much misused as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.