To leave MumsNet because it's becoming RadFeministNet?

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Had enough of their agenda being forced down my throat whether I want it or not. Major recruitment drive going on lately, and serious opression of other posters views. Just gets worse and worse. This was not what I believed MN was supposed to be about.

I'm off.

Although I do still very mcuh appreciate the sentiment of your post MrsC

Wow, Catgirl, I'm trying to work out if you're being deeply disingenuous, or if you genuinely don't see it.

You pretty much always crop up on these threads - and other ones with a whiff of feminism about them.

You angle is, without exception, to critique the feminist stance and/or argument. To distance yourself from a group which you seem to perceive as an MN feminist collective.

Do you really not see that?

Catgirl, what on earth is your point then? Your last post seems to boil down to 'some people have very strong rigid opinions, not just on the feminism boards' which seems a very strange point to be making at this point on this thread (complaining) about radfems?

Qs anyone come up with any examples of bullying yet?

I think it's OK to draw a line with feminism. Sometimes I feel able to agree that people like pro sex industry/pro BDSM feminists or right wing feminists are feminists, but sometimes it's hard to reconcile beliefs like that with any kind of view of feminism and wanting what's best for women.

Once again as it seems that the wrong people are getting a hard time. Rather than the people who are supporting the sex industry or ritualised male violence to women for example getting a hard time, it's the feminists who might want to draw a line against these things who are being criticised.

Ok I cross posted there catgirl - but still an awful lot of posts here for just making that point. Did someone actually tell the op to fuck off? I must have missed that one. I think I have to agree with the poster who said you were just taking an opposing view here.

Of course, you are free to do that - post as you will. But expect others to pick you up on it.

I HAVEN'T been complaining about radfems, feminism or the FWR boards.

I have been saying all the way through that radfems should post anywhere they want, that I am a feminist, that yes, you get strong opinions on the fem boards but you get those anywhere. I haven't changed my stance on this thread. The only thing I have said that could be taken as critisicm is that I find it difficult to discuss things with people whose views are very entrenched and who refuse to entertain or consider anyone else POV, but you can get people like that anywhere

There is no change of stance on this thread, I think people have just made assumptions

I started on the thread only because I objected to one poster calling the OP a moron and felt that was wrong. Which I stand by. I dont like bullying - I dont care where it is.

My angle is not to critique the feminist stance and / argument. I am a feminist. I am really at a loss to work out why anyone thinks I have been arguing the other way on this thread. Show me a post where I have because I must have missed it.

running I am not taking an opposing view - nor have I at any point on this thread. People have just assumed it. Wrongly.

And yes a poster called the OP a moron and told her to fuck off. The post has been removed by MNHQ

Catgirl - it's not just this thread - it's every thread with a feminist angle. It's an overall picture, if you will. When a thread such as this one crops up, I expect to see your name, and I can pretty much predict your stance.

It's merely an observation from me - a nameless, faceless random somewhere out there in the virtual world.

Make of it what you will.

Sparkling you clearly havent read my posts on this thread. Find one where I a, taking an oppossing view. You won't - it isn't there.

The last thread with a "feminist angle" I was in was the Amsterdam one. My view was that the OP did not have the right to know what her co-workers did in their spare time and that it was possible that the co-workers might not ise the sex industry. Thats not anti feminist

Meh, I'm not arguing it.

I'm just saying that there's a small handful of poster who I know will appear on certain threads and I can pretty much predict with 100% certainty as to which way their sympathies (if you like) will lie.

As I say, just my observation of a pattern.

Rhinos- you really really can't say "this happens, but I can't actually show you where it does". I do think people feel threatened when they have their prejudices challenged, and women who are happy with the status quo often don't like it when they can't help seeing that what is comfortable for them is not necessarily good for other women. Maybe that manifests itself in a feeling of being "got at?"

I actually get more of a sense of anti feminists piling in- that was certainly happening on the thread I started about lap dancing clubs recently.

fair enough - but you would be wrong on this thread.

And no one has been able to tell me why they wrongly assumed I was taking "an opposing view"

It seems a bit odd. I can only think Nyac saying I had criticised rad fems when I hasnt has stuck in peoples minds and coloured their views.

It has zero to do with Nyac saying anything.

It's really, really not just this thread.

Fair enough, you don't see it. I guess the next time such a thread comes up you will surprise me with the 'side' you take. Or maybe not.

:) Maybe

Bit there are other posters who just assumed my viewpoint and I dont think thats from other threads

I genuinely want to know why that was but no one (other than yourself) has told me

Catgirl, what is the 'it' you are referring to here?

"No - they find it difficult because it is an inflexible, dogmatic view that alienates people and makes intelligent adult discussion impossible."

If you read my post prior to that one you;ll see the "it" very specifically is

when posters have a very narrow singular view of what feminism is and tell other people they can't be feminists if they dont agree with them always

Ok Catgirl, so far you have said you don't agree with the op, and you say you haven't criticised radfems. Apart from objecting to bearcrumble's 'moronic' and 'fuck off' which have now been deleted, I don't understand your high post count on this thread making no point at all except that 'some posters have strong opinions, but not just on FWR.' As i said, post what you like, but after 30 or so posts from you saying No. Thats not what i was saying. I don't think anybody does know what point you want to make!

I would take your post at 16:38 today as one example, just on a casual flick back. You then entered into a 'no, answer my question' fight with another poster (we've all been there) and you then demanded an apology from nyac several times. That is pretty 'opposing' in my book.

But tbh I can't really be bothered arguing it either - I just get a general sense of you picking at (feminist's) points with no actual point to make.

I was opposing Nyac saying I had criticised rad fems when I havent

I am now oppossed to you saying I have picked at feminists point of views when

a) I havent

b) I am a feminist

c)you cant show me a single example of this (ironic really when people are saying other posters can't make accusations of bullying without backing them up)

Nyac has a higher post count on this thread than me but you dont question why she is posting.

I am not sure what your issue with me is

Come on, catgirl, I'm just a lurker and I have seen you all over the feminist boards on the opposing side to the feminist view in that thread.

No, you really can't see it can you?

No running - I don't see it.

I have said nothing on this thread to make anyone think I was opposing the feminist view or agreeing with the OP

As you do have an issue with me, perhaps you could tell me what it is?

Nyac has made a large number of eloquent posts making a series of specific point, that's why I haven't mentioned her post count, catgirl.

*points