To leave MumsNet because it's becoming RadFeministNet?

[SigmundaFraudina]

Had enough of their agenda being forced down my throat whether I want it or not. Major recruitment drive going on lately, and serious opression of other posters views. Just gets worse and worse. This was not what I believed MN was supposed to be about.

I'm off.

It does give me food for thought, yes. Then again, I'm not one of the people who tells people they're not a feminist or that their views don't fit in on the board.

Go and read the ejaculation thread and the men who pay for sex thread and you'll find exactly the quotes I was referring to. I meant them in a more general way rather than picking up on specific things, but feel free to look for them.

It's a bit different to racism though, isn't it? I really hate comparing the two, because in my mind, it's pretty offensive.

bemybebe - If you're referring to the thread I think you are, maybe a couple of months ago, most feminists were lining up to challenge the OP on that view.

'The fact is, getting away from all your convoluted misinterpretations of what went on on that thread, SigmundFraud, does support men's right to buy and sell women, wants it to be legal and is huffing because she met some opposition. Hence her long list of how she thinks rad fems ought to think.'

That is a convoluted misinterpretation Nyac.

What do you think constitutes a feminist yellowraincoat? What's your definition?

Is there anybody who you'd say wasn't a feminist if they claimed to be one?

Well isn't that confusing - according to Caitlin Moran I'm a feminist and according to Seeker I'm not a feminist.

No that's actually quite a concise interpretation SF.

"radical loonies"

But we're the nasty rude ones are we?

But Jericho, I don't think I do have a clear view on what feminism is. I certainly don't feel I can go and tell another woman her views are not feminist.

We all do things that are harmful to women. To ourselves, women in this country, women abroad. There is really no point in getting on one's high horse because someone feels differently about prostitution when we are all complicit in the general fucking over of women.

that is why i am saying that radfem views thankfully are in minority even though i wish they were as aggressively challenged as trolls for their damaging views.

I did look for them yellowraincoat. I used the search function. They don't exist.

If you don't like the black right example, then reply to the socialism example. Or can I self-identify as an anarchist and like a strong government? Can I self-identify as a conservative but seek radical change? Can I self identify as a Marxist but think that everything is about choice? Can I self identify as a gay rights activist but promote the 'traditional' family?

Caitlin Moran hasn't got a clue about feminism. She's still stuck on the "if I like something it must be feminist, if I dislike something then it isn't" narcissistic approach to feminism. She also decided to write her book because she met Object and didn't think they should be against pornography.

I've never seen her producing a single piece of decent political analysis.

Nyac - I am not talking about SFs views on that thread. I am talking about the fact that the view that the OP did not have the right to know what her co-workers did on their trip was oppossed on the thread by a few posters who took that as an anti-feminist view which supported the sex industry. I can trawl back through it if you want but would rather not

You're calling people loonies bemybebe. It's rude and insulting.

AlwaysWild, I have already explained what I think about this. I can't be arsed doing it again.

The direct quotes may not exist because, as I said, I didn't want to pick on specific posters or posts. But if you really want to, I already directed you to the relevant threads.

bemybebe - if we are talking about the same thread, I would be amazed in the OP saw themselves as a radfem knowing their other views, and I know for sure that there were radfems lining up to challenge that view.

Nyac, being a feminist doesn't have to mean you are able to politcally analyse things. By saying that you are cutting out a huge part of the population.

Why don't you trawl back and come back with quotes. When you read it again, you'll find you've misinterpreted.

"I think it makes feminism a deeply problematic concept"

Of course is it. It wouldn't be doing it's job if it wasn't. Anything that challenges the status quo on behalf of a group of people who may or may not have made an accomodation with the status quo, is bound to be problematic.

There are degrees of feminism. Feminists must make their own labels if they need them - but for every feminist there has to be a point where she says 'thus far and no further' - doing X or Y is not the actions of a feminist and I won't do it. Whether they then take others to task over that point is a different matter and might be down to innate politeness and reticence rather than the strength of their stance

I have never seen a feminist tell a victim of rape that she is 'pathetic' for being wary about walking alone at night, especially if those were the circumstances of her rape. What I have seen are posts pointing out the facts that most rapes are committed by someone known to their victims, but never any denying that stranger rapes happen and never any that call a rape victim 'pathetic'. Are you sure it was a feminist saying that and not just some random shit-stirrer? And again, if posters on this thread are referring to others, link them and back up those claims.

Ok, no one is saying you have to have a clear view. I don't have a clear view of what Marxism is, it's not something I've thought much about.

I do have clear views on feminism. Sorry if that offends you, but I am not likely to pretend my views don't exist, just for you.

As I say, there is nothing special about my posts that means you are obligated to take them as gospel. If you self-identify as a feminist, surely the 'self identifying' bit means you don't need me to nod and agree?

If you're writing books about feminism and making statements about what is and isn't feminist then yes you do have to be able to undertake political analysis. Also political analysis isn't difficult, it's choosing to do it's that's hard. Most people want to bury their head in the sand and repeat happy hooker myths for example.

unfortunately i really do not if we are talking about the same thread as they do pop up regularly (so i do not know who the op on yours is)...

So when you say "And yes people have said those things.", you didn't really mean that as they're not direct quotes

Does she write books about feminism? Honestly, I know nothing about her.

Political analysis is bloody difficult for a lot of people, especially people who don't have a good standard of education, aren't particularly clever or who have been told what to think by other people.

stern i will try to link this thread. i appreciate it is rather meaningless talking about it if we cannot read the original...