To be very scared at the details of the Universal tax credit?

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I had no idea.

I've been away from the UK, and just saw the actual proposals/rules on another thread.

Its bad right?

I imagine there is another thread on this so if there is, sorry ...I can't find it! :)

There is no childcare or summer playschemes for disabled children Happymummyofone. What are those parents expected to do? How will they work 24 hours a week? Or do workfare?

no understand, you HAVE to work 25 hours? and if you dont?????

After reading the whole thread last night, I have been googling all morning and just wanted to add.

The hours of work that have to be worked are not confirmed anywhere I can see, yes there are proposals but nothing is agreed on that or in the final thngs that are happening here www.turn2us.org.uk/information__resources_-_3/benefits/benefit_changes.aspx

yes these things of increased hours may come in, but they are not confirmed at the moment (unless I have missed something after hours of research)

To be clear I am not in support of them! I am a single parent who has my child 100% of the time, I currently work 16 hours a week average, I clean as there were no other jobs when my last contract finished in quite a good, well paid job. In a way I could be a poster girl for see if you want to work you can BUT I have been fortunate to have the experience behind me of other work to let me do the marketing for my small business. I earn minimum wage and I am bloody knackered. I could not do this 24 or 35 hours a week I don't think.

After the nightmare that has been the CSA changes in recent weeks (although there are some positives from that) I do think that campaigning does work, but to be blunt ranting on mumsnet won't make a difference. Getting involved with the big charities (Gingerbread, Barnado?s, Disability Alliance and Mencap etc) and ask them how to support their campaigns.

It's been posted several times that there are different rules for different people and if you cannot work the hours required nothing "happens" to you, you would still get the minimum required to survive ie the same as income support or job seekers allowance, you just won't be rewarded for going to work as is the current situation, there will be no state top up.
Which will lead to more people staying unemployed or people making sure they work the required hours.
I know a lot of people during the boom years who could have worked full time but it made no sense to, it's getting rid of that mind set.
IF IT EVEN COMES INTO PLACE WHICH I DON"T BELIEVE IT WILL TBH>

*The libertarian view of those like baypolar's partner is pretty ridiculous - any civilized society needs a public sanitation system, health care, education, police, army, etc.

The individual can not shirk his share of the financial burden.*

We disagree.

Bring in composting toilets, take responsibility for your health by eating well, education, well, if you have kids, YOU pay for it, I don't want your kid in the future laughing at me for incorporating coffee enemas into my lifestyle as a means of preventative medicine, police....it depends where you live...you live in a crime-ridden country,...move if you don't like it......army.....no thanks, not when the average kid grows into a moron who thinks that Muslims brought down the WTC.

Na, your argument is flawed for having kids.
We used to need kids to work in the fields and so on.
Now people have kids because of vanity purposes, to see their likeness, to have their kid live their dreams, whilst putting a lot of pressure on the planet and society...ergo we need an army, police, NHS because the education system doesn't stretch to pro-active health measures that you can do yourselves.
Nope, in the 21st century, your reasoning for adding to the 7 billion people already here, is flawed.

KalSkirata i presume you dump said child into care.
end of family.
that way disabled people can be shut away.
out of sight out of mind.

BayPolar WTF are you on about?

Well I am scared.
We work about 30 hrs between us.
My husband works part time because he has MS
I work part time because I care for him and for my DS as well as the ordinary caring for the other DCs.

So my OH cannot work extra hours without it severely affecting his health. If I work more hours it means that OH is left to pick up the extra childcare which would also be very difficult for him.
For example he cannot get up to do the school runs. He can just about cope with a couple of nursery pick ups a week but only if he can park right up next to the nursery.
He simply could not cope with a busy school pick up. He cant walk.

So what do we do?
Do I take on full time work to save him from having to work? Except he likes working and if I worked full time who would do the three seperate school/nursery runs?
Does he take on more work? He can just about manage what he does now.

FFS we are doing our best with what life has thrown at us.

We both started working in our teens and have always worked. Thats over 50 years of tax paying between us.

To find ourselves royally fucked over as we hit middle age. Thanks.

I was an organic raw food vegan. I got MS. Your healthy eating statements are bollux.

I'm wondering what Utopia you live in baypolar. High school?

Seven..I was responding to a comment about a million comments ago.
Sorry.
;)

Kal, who says that being an organic raw food vegan is good anyway?

Mmm, this wine tastes good.

It's all about moderation.

We are the same mrsdevere. I have MS and a disabled child. I do the night care for dd then sleep during the day. Its making my condition worse. DH works school hours only and given there's 13 weeks holiday a year, this averages at 17.5 hours a week. He Cares the rest of the time. From 6am till 9pm school holidays.
Vaguely wondering where we are meant to squeeze in extra hours.
Of course, what we could do is put dd into care. DH will then be able to work full time, 40 hours a week like he used too. We will have money and a nice life. I will get sleep. We could go on holiday and afford heating.
Course, the taxpayer will be paying £3000 a week for dd's care but hey, least dh will have a full time job.
But rather peskily we actually love her and want her with her family and to take care of her. But this involves the above arrangement of crap working hours and low pay.

Arse

maybe you should cut down on the coffee enemas then bay. Moderation n all that. I told my friend who is a doctor and she fell about laughing.

although she did share the story of when she worked in A&E and someone came in with an aubergine stuck up their arse

Wonders to self if Bay is really David Cameron?

Anyway, we are getting off topic here.

I will get back to my world where the decisions I made didn't leave me reliant upon the government for my financial or physical health and happiness, and, thankfully, not reliant on doctors like your friend.

Actually Bay, she is also a homeopath and the BMA took her to court for acting as a witness for a mum who didnt want to vaccinate. So not narrow minded by any measure.
She gives talks around the country and how to deal with health and illness without antibiotics and vaccines etc.
So ner.

laughs at Bay calling anyone else ignorant

I'm big on alternative therapies, me. But I don't condemn conventional medicine. Without it neither me or DD would be here due to a genetic heart condition we share. No amount of sticking coffee up our bums would help with that.

Bay you still have a debt for your own childhood. Like it or not you have already been a drain on resources.

Lucky you weent born disabled Bay. That is what the topic is. People who are how they are already being fucked over by this Govt.

lol Glitter. I dont think coffee enemas cure brain damage either. Funny that.
I couldnt find one bit of scientific evidence for it. And I'm a hppy tree hugging lefty who uses homeopathy and doesnt vaccinate etc etc

she is also a homeopath
Bwahahahahaha.
Says it all.

Those who are disabled deserve society and the state to help them.

Those who are able-bodied should not rely upon the state to help them.
Those who are able-bodied should think deeply about what they can and cannot afford and work with what they have so as not to be a burden on others.

My empathy is HUGE for those with real problems.
My empathy for people who had kids without thinking about the consequences regarding how to support them, is minimal.