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To be very scared at the details of the Universal tax credit?

560 replies

Feminine · 18/02/2012 13:40

I had no idea.

I've been away from the UK, and just saw the actual proposals/rules on another thread.

Its bad right?

I imagine there is another thread on this so if there is, sorry ...I can't find it! :)

OP posts:
LadySybilDeChocolate · 18/02/2012 20:35

Coffee enema. Do they give you those in La la land?

thefroggy · 18/02/2012 20:36

But is it decaff? Caffeine is very bad for you. Fact.

SalmeMurrikAgain · 18/02/2012 20:36

Gin and tonic is fabulously good for you, especially if administered via enema. I have looked this up on teh internets and it is true.

KalSkirata · 18/02/2012 20:37

I hope its organic fair trade coffee

TheLightPassenger · 18/02/2012 20:38

what a waste of good gin and coffee, taking them per rectum [sad[

cazboldy · 18/02/2012 20:38

ah but do you add lemon Salme WinkGrin

thefroggy · 18/02/2012 20:39

Organic fair trade decaff Kal ffs!

NorthernWreck · 18/02/2012 20:39

Some points:

In April 2013 UC will be implemented, putting all benefits, including housing into one payment administrated by one authority.
To change the system this dramatically will see massive lay offs of public sector employees.
It will also cost a HUGE amount to change the system.

There has been very little actual, factual info about this.
What is clear is that a couple will have to work 24 hours a week to qualify for UC (think tax credits/housing help etc)

OK, fine, but when I look on the websites for direct.gov, tax credits etc there is scant real info about how this will affect single parents.

If it is the case that they are treating single parents as a household, e. one parent having to work 24 hours, then this is quite at odds with them not treating us as a household when it comes to the child benefit cap (e.g one parent households only being able to earn half what 2 parent households can to get CB).

The 24 hours thing for single parents is a joke.
obs generally come as 37.5 hours a week, or 16-18 hours per week.
So 24 hours really means full time, to all intents and purposes.
It would be hard to supplement an 18 hour a week job with another part time job, as most part time jobs are evenings and weekends.

I would be very happy to work up to 30 hours a week, but these jobs just dont really exist.

If I work 37.5 hours a week, then, due to the lack of schools in my area, ds(5) and I would have to leave the house at 7.15 a.m to walk the 40 mins to school, and still give me time to get to work for 9. am.
I would rush to get to after school club to pick him up at 6. We would have to get a taxi home every day, as by this point he would be frankly too exhausted to walk the 1 hour plus (it's uphill) home.

Even with the extra cost of a taxi we would get home at 6.30.
That is a nearly 12 hour day for a five year old.
I don't think he could handle it, honestly.

In the holidays I really don't know what the hell I would do, especially as childcare costs will no longer be offset by housing costs.
That's if I could even find a childminder.

If the lone parent is working already at say 21 hours a week, I don't know wether they would have to make up the extra 3 hours a week doing slave labout for Tesco. It doesn't say on the websites.

If a lone parent with a child over the age of five searches for a job for more than a year, but fails to find one, 10% will be deducted from their housing allowance.
All this with nearly 3 million unemployed.

You should be scared. I am. this government is systematically going after lone parents.
It is generally gunning for the poorest and most vulnerable in society. Don't let this bill happen.

LadySybilDeChocolate · 18/02/2012 20:41

Is that where I went wrong? Would coffee enimas have stoped me from developing MS? Shit, my life's down the toilet now I know that I could have prevented it.

SalmeMurrikAgain · 18/02/2012 20:41

Sorry caz, meant to say - the lemon is the best bit [gonna live a healthy low-tax stress-free life 'cause I am A WINNER emoticon] Grin

thefroggy · 18/02/2012 20:43

Just shoot lone parents, job done. They're all slags anyway.

UnlikelyAmazonian · 18/02/2012 20:43

I'll kill myself ?? Shock

actually, posters like baypolar are a danger on forums like this. They spread their poison and could quite easily push someone who is already feeling quite a miserable failure or is ill, to take their own life.

baypolar perhaps you could take your nihilistic views elsewhere. You are very pervasive on Mn and have been for a while. But you drag posters down when they really don't need it.

You are by your own admission healthy, stress-free, willing to commit suicide if life doesn't suit you, happily married, etc, no kids, no desire or intention to have them, etc. You don't sit well here IMVHO. I am not sure why you post really. Is it to make others feel like shit?

SalmeMurrikAgain · 18/02/2012 20:45

Don't worry UA, half-term is nearly over.

TotemPole · 18/02/2012 20:46

baypolar, any hope of being taken seriously went out the window when you admitted to putting coffee up your bottom.

SuePurblybilt · 18/02/2012 20:46
LilyBolero · 18/02/2012 20:46

If coffee goes up the bum, then what comes out of the mouth?

NorthernWreck · 18/02/2012 20:47

Baypolar-I will happily assist you in your desire to off yourself. Pass me the gun.

IDoNotLIKEFun · 18/02/2012 20:47

To whoever asked about Xenia, IIRC she is in favour of a citizen's wage - basic rate, no conditionality. The idea is that everyone who is working is always better off.

Universal Credit sneakily sounds like it is similar but isn't at all.

Still, we appear to have on Grin Coffee enemas - I knew I should have started drinking earlier. I'm still in "serious" mode Sad

cazboldy · 18/02/2012 20:48

thing is if her dh retired at 37, it's not like she was going to need UC anyway........

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 18/02/2012 20:50

You know what? I'm personally almost completely unaffected by any of the benefit cuts. We'll lose CB and a tiny amount of CTC for one child about 6 months earlier than it would have ended anyway.

Just want to say as an almost completely unaffected person that what's happening is shit. It's not just that I feel lots of sympathy for LP's, those with disabilities and long term illnesses, carers, those having to give up really useful voluntary positions to do fucking workfare etc. etc. ... it's that I don't want to live in a society that treats people like this

what this cunting government are doing is going to make this country worse for all of us

Sorry, not very helpful but I wanted people to know that it's not just those who are directly affected that care.

NorthernWreck · 18/02/2012 20:50

Oh, and when I say "most vulnerable, lets be clear-I am talking about the disables, and young children. I do not count myslef as vulnerable. Poor as fuck, yes. A victim-no.

SalmeMurrikAgain · 18/02/2012 20:50

caz, anyone can be who they want to be online. Just as well I'm happy being a gin-soaked lefty wreck all the time, really. All I want is a nation at ease with itself, as a forgotten man once said Grin

LadySybilDeChocolate · 18/02/2012 20:51

I'd steer clear of coffee enemas if this is the shit that comes out of the mouth later on.

thefroggy · 18/02/2012 20:55

I'll send her some coffee if she's short. Only smart price though.

Glitterknickaz · 18/02/2012 20:56

OHMIGOD.
Don't the Daily Hate cite coffee as a major cause of cancer?

Shock Grin
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