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AIBU in thinking that this gentleman should win The Parenting Award?

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StealthPenguin · 11/02/2012 08:11

This video is eight minutes long, so for those that don't have time to watch it, I shall summarize.

Last year, this gentleman, Tommy Jordan, warned his daughter of the consequences if she were to do something stupid and inappropriate on Facebook. At the beginning of this month he was fixing her laptop (and installing $130 worth of software) when he managed to find a post on her Facebook wall that claimed her life was unfair, that she's a slave, and her "lazy-ass parents" make her "do shit for them". Not only this, but she goes on to exaggerate her chores list and curses to high heaven. She then deliberately hid it via her privacy settings so that her parents couldn't see it on her Facebook wall. She did this incorrectly, and the post showed up while Mr. Jordan was fixing her laptop.

He decided to read out this "letter to my parents", and he then addressed some of the issues on it. Firstly, that she refuses to get a part-time job, and only applied to one job because he handed her the application and watched her fill it out. Secondly, that her chores list is not that large. Thirdly, that she expects a new camera, new battery for her laptop, new phone and software upgrades whenever she needs it. She also referred to a woman who couldn't afford to pay Mr. Jordan in conventional terms as their "cleaning lady".

After 6 minutes of discussing how wrong she is, how insulting and upsetting and disrespectful she is being, and how she was warned of the consequences, he proceeds to put eight rounds of ammunition into her laptop. Seven for him, and one on behalf of her mother.

Not only does she now not have a laptop, but she won't get one until she pays for it herself. She also owes him for the ammunition that he used.

Now, I don't know about you, but I think that's perfect. I would never be so disrespectful to my parents, and if I were then I'd probably suffer a similar punishment!

He has explained that his reasons for doing it are a) to teach her of the value of a dollar. If she has everything handed to her, she'll just assume that her parents are going to bankroll her. b) to teach her that what is said on the internet will last a lifetime, if not a good few years. So by being so horrible on a public forum she has humiliated herself and her family. c) That his word is to be taken as gospel, and that there are consequences to her actions.

I think he's very sensible to have done that - it's a dramatic and drastic action, but in his own words "sometimes with teenagers you have to be dramatic".

What do you all think?

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chibi · 11/02/2012 08:27

Everything coraltoes said

the combo of control and violence is v scary, i want to start an escape fund for her Sad

StrandedBear · 11/02/2012 08:27

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troisgarcons · 11/02/2012 08:29

For shooting 8 rounds of live ammo into a laptop in the house, right next to his daughter. There is absolutely no way she was petrified at this point, there is no possible way that she is now scarred from the incident

the daughter wasnt there and he did it in the garden, to a video camera. You're as melodramtic as the bloke!

StealthPenguin · 11/02/2012 08:30

For the record, he wasn't in the house. He was in a massive field. And he wasn't with his daughter - she was at school while this was being video'd.

Where did you get half of your post, StrandedBear?!

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JustHecate · 11/02/2012 08:30

wow. No. I don't think that's right.

Far better, imo, to have said oh. You do all those chores do you? Ok. You carry on doing all of them.

and cut off the cash flow. Nothing but the very basics - food and a roof - until she got a job and bought her own stuff. No cooking, no cleaning, no laundry, nothing.

shooting the laptop is, imo, a bit scary. Threatening even. Although maybe I feel that way because I don't live in a country where guns are normal.

ladyintheradiator · 11/02/2012 08:31

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feedthegoat · 11/02/2012 08:31

Mmmm, I guess it depends on your idea of quality parenting. I was brought up in a household where I was allowed and encouraged to have my own opinions, even if my parents didn't agree. These kind of issues were resolved with discussion, sometimes heated, but again never a problem because we were all allowed to feel emotional too.

It smacks of bullying to me, sorry. You can't tell someone else what to think and the list of her moans seemed like the universal teenage rant. Totally over the top reaction.

feedthegoat · 11/02/2012 08:31

Mmmm, I guess it depends on your idea of quality parenting. I was brought up in a household where I was allowed and encouraged to have my own opinions, even if my parents didn't agree. These kind of issues were resolved with discussion, sometimes heated, but again never a problem because we were all allowed to feel emotional too.

It smacks of bullying to me, sorry. You can't tell someone else what to think and the list of her moans seemed like the universal teenage rant. Totally over the top reaction.

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TheVermiciousKnid · 11/02/2012 08:32

What a twat. How does this teach his daughter 'respect' and 'how to behave on an internet forum'? Dreadful parenting.

AKissIsNotAContract · 11/02/2012 08:32

He sounds like a cunt. She didn't do anything worse than any other teen and the punishment was totally out of proportion.

I don't agree that you should always respect your parents. I don't have any respect for my dad and I don't see why I should either.

MinnieBar · 11/02/2012 08:33

I thought 'put eight rounds into her laptop' was a metaphor. He actually fucking did it??

Having said that, gun ownership is so common there so as not to be remarkable.

Still, using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, no?

StealthPenguin · 11/02/2012 08:34

If that's a "normal" teenager, then I despair for the human race.

I was 16 only 5 years ago, and I had three part-time jobs, attended college by bicycle, did the dishwasher daily and cleaned my room to spotless levels on a weekly basis.

I would never have refused to get a job and still be that entitled. I've also had a Facebook Page since I was 14, and not once have I taken to it to slander and bad-mouth my parents to a bunch of online "friends.

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TheVermiciousKnid · 11/02/2012 08:34

And I really wouldn't want my children to think 'that my word is gospel' - they have their own minds and are entitled to their own opinions. Ugh.

LineRunner · 11/02/2012 08:35

I was brought up in a house where my father didn't have a loaded gun.

DesperatelySeekingSedatives · 11/02/2012 08:36

I don't think this is an "awesome" example of parenting myself. The guy's daughter is/was a spoilt brat and an ungrateful one at that. But who were the ones that raised her? Why did it take her dad snooping on her to realise what his daughter had turned into and do something about it?

Destroying the laptop to make a point seems OTT, juvenile and erm, really stupid Hmm How would daddy feel if his daughter had shot the laptop herself (he keeps a loaded gun in the house after all)? Would he punish her? And if so wouldn't that make him a big hypocrite?

Sorry, he doesn't sound like a dad of the year, he created that monster after all.

StealthPenguin · 11/02/2012 08:37

Oh, and this is from his Facebook Page.

"Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, I?ll take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. You?ll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.

Your questions were:
Q: Why did you decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?

A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because it?s a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer ?Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook? my answer is this: Because that?s how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people? originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.

Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?

A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn?t remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought ?Well, I?ll just wait it out and I?ll get it back eventually.? Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she won?t ever forget and it?ll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, she?ll remember it and wish she hadn?t done what she did.

The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We don?t give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what it?s like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when you?re young. Most of the things she has that are ?cool? were bought or gifted that way. She?s always asked for very few things, but they?re always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. That?s not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it?s not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)

She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because she?s got parents. It?s not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee she?ll NEVER leave it outside at night. She?ll be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. She?ll value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.

Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. She?s known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if you?re too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, I?m certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.

Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?

A: She responded to the video with ?I can?t believe you shot my computer!? That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.

Later after she?d had time to process it and I?d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce? you know that uncomfortable moment when you?re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you?re both waiting to see which one?s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.

People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she?s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was ?Dude? it?s only a computer. I mean, yeah I?m mad but pfft.? She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn?t too keen on the stripping thing.

We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:

First: As her father, I?ll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.

Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She?s seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can?t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings."

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troisgarcons · 11/02/2012 08:37

North Carolina, one of the few places left wehre its legal to have sex at 12 provied your partner is no more than 4 years older than you ......

Pure hill-billy territory.

Tee2072 · 11/02/2012 08:39

He doesn't sound to me like he was 'snooping' but doing something nice for her and stumbled across her breaking the rules he had set.

I am actually not sure I agree with the gun part, but I am not sure I disagree with it either.

And linerunner really, it's America. Gun ownership is not that unusual. You really need to move past that! Although I grew up in America and we never owned any guns. Well, now members of my family do, but they are in law enforcement.

LineRunner · 11/02/2012 08:41

To be fair, trois, I think a similar law of consent exists in the Netherlands but it's considered progressive there - I guess because of other societal stuff like, ooooh, men not shooting computers in their gardens.

BumgrapesofWrath · 11/02/2012 08:41

I think the father is an arrogant bully. He seems very controlling. I can't believe people are applauding him.

To be honest I think the girl's list of chores sounds quite a lot for a 15 year old. Also, a 15 year old shouldn't be forced to work. I had a part time job when I turned 16, but it was my choice.

StealthPenguin · 11/02/2012 08:42

Oh, and this. Which I almost applauded because it was so true.

I've received a LOT of comments (and by lot you have to understand there's literally MILLIONS of them. I'll likely never be able to read them all in my lifetime) pointing out that I was raised old fashioned apparently that that I needed to learn to be a parent in today's world.

Umm.. is there a polite way to call bull*t!?

The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?

I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."

She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"

I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?"
Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."

Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)

Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.

So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.

Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?

So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)

"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!

(packing my soapbox away and going to bed now)

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feedthegoat · 11/02/2012 08:43

And how the hell do you justify making the point that you shouldn't handle these things in public by dishing out your punishment on the internet too. Surely this is like smacking a toddler in punishment whilst saying 'don't hit people!' (Never seen the logic in that one either)

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