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To think it is about time to stop being a Christian country.

872 replies

ShagOBite · 10/02/2012 22:15

On the council prayers debate, lots of people have said "but we're a Christian country". Why are we? Should we be? How do we go about changing this? It seems so inappropriate and unnecessary in this day and age.

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bugster · 14/02/2012 21:11

Had a look at that humanist home page and saw their slogan was 'for the only life we have'. So definite denial of any other life, sounds like an integral part of their dogma. Pretty much like atheism? They are obly calling themselves 'humanists' because they think the word has better connotations than 'atheist'. The real humanists, part of the original humanist movement leading up to the renaissance and reformation, were devout Christians like Erasmus and Sir Thomas More.

jumjum · 14/02/2012 21:13

WOW! So much hatred against Catholics - solidasbrass you do seem to either have a problem or just be rather stupid. Either way I am sure the Catholics will forgive you.

Of course UK could be disestablished so not God save the Queen, no religious rememberance day, thousands of schools closed or go private, and a vacuum created for the religion that is really dominant today: the religion on money, bonuses and celebrity lifestyles.

jumjum · 14/02/2012 21:18

Bugster - you really shouldn't be on this ite!: this is a shite sorry site for the anti-intellectual - in your very few words you show more reason than all the anti faith bashers - Erasmus is a hero of mine. So Bug off Bugster you are exposing the simplicity of the anti faith mumsnetters as well as a good deal of their simple hate

TessTickular · 14/02/2012 21:19

hahahaha! irony!

notfluffyatall · 14/02/2012 21:24

No, it'd need to be one of the biggies and all they can do is talk about reform. It never really comes to anything. The people really need to make some noise.

microserf · 14/02/2012 21:24

what a absolute SHAMBLES of a thread.

isn't the issue separation of church and state? i'll defend to the death anyone's right to religion in the private sphere. I won't support ANY religion in the public sphere, because it's not a relevant matter for public life - not in councils, or government, not anywhere. and I baptised my DCs, so I am officially properly religious Grin

i thought Baroness Warsi's speech was a nasty one TBH, designed to cause trouble.

notfluffyatall · 14/02/2012 21:28

"So definite denial of any other life, "

So, without wanting to get into another "show me the evidence" argument, I will just say this once. You show me the evidence for 'another life' and I'll stop denying it.

It was secularists that I said could be religious anyway.

notfluffyatall · 14/02/2012 21:29

" because they think the word has better connotations than 'atheist'."

Yes, because atheists really do eat babies Grin

notfluffyatall · 14/02/2012 21:31

"hahahaha! irony!"

Lol, I thought so too.

jumjum · 14/02/2012 21:33

Mrsterrypratchett you said:
People believe that morals come from religion. In fact there is evidence to suggest that 'morals' or reciprocal altruism is an evolutionary adapton. It is there to make sure the herd/group/mob lives through the hard times.

"Reciprocal alturism" - what a horrible creed or value. I will be kind to you if and only if you reciprocate. The Christian value would be to turn the other cheek.

The impact of a shift form your "reciprocity" value to the value of " love" is profound in ways that perhaps other MNs will understand, because I can't.

notfluffyatall · 14/02/2012 21:37

"i thought Baroness Warsi's speech was a nasty one TBH, designed to cause trouble."

She has a habit of talking shite.

bugster · 14/02/2012 21:47

We could start another thread, notfluffyatall, 'AIBU to think this is not the only life?' think that's a big enough topic in itself. Show me the evidence there isn't another one. Thankfully the experience of living and being human is infinitely richer and more comlex than being 'evidence' based.

TessTickular · 14/02/2012 21:56

Please do start another thread. You're boring the pants off me on this one.

notfluffyatall · 14/02/2012 21:57

If you want to start that thread you carry on, I wouldn't participate. I always end up feeling quite irritated by the theists when they start using a whole lot of words to say nothing of any actual substance.

I'll just respond to you now the way I would respond to anyone. I'm not the one making the unsubstantiated claim for an afterlife, the onus is on you I'm afraid. Since there is no evidence to be provided we'll just take it as read that it's a pointless exercise and actually not even relevant to this thread.

I think more than one poster, including myself, has stated that we don't care what you believe in but do it in private, away from me and my children and absolutely out of politics.

TessTickular · 14/02/2012 21:59

Yes quite. Believe what you will, but please keep it out of my life.

bugster · 14/02/2012 21:59

Thank goodness for Baroness Warsi - i agreed with everything she said and feel immense relief that there are people like her in public life ready to speak our against the tide of militant secularism. An illustration of the fact that people of different faiths can be much more tolerant of each other, than 'humanists' and 'secularists' are of them.

notfluffyatall · 14/02/2012 22:01

I don't want to be rude, I get so annoyed at the posts full of misinterpretation and just plain made up shite that always seems to appear when talking about secularism, humanism and atheism. I just want people to open their eyes and study a bit before they follow the bullshit of people like that Warsi woman. Religion is divisive, secularism is the exact opposite. Just google a bit.

bugster · 14/02/2012 22:05

Sorry Tesstickular did I use too many long words?

notfluffyatall · 14/02/2012 22:05

"and feel immense relief that there are people like her in public life ready to speak our against the tide of militant secularism"

Shame for you then that most people actually think she's an arsehole.

notfluffyatall · 14/02/2012 22:08

More irony! Talking to the pope about persecution,.

bugster · 14/02/2012 22:08

You do. The whole problem with that statement and all of those of your persuasion on this thread is that you think, in your arrogance, that you speak for the nation.

notfluffyatall · 14/02/2012 22:09

Beluh, reading that article actually makes me nauseous. The utter pomposity!

notfluffyatall · 14/02/2012 22:12

Here we go again with being called arrogant. Have you any idea how you sound?

"Thank goodness for Baroness Warsi - i agreed with everything she said and feel immense relief that there are people like her in public life ready to speak our against the tide of militant secularism. An illustration of the fact that people of different faiths can be much more tolerant of each other, than 'humanists' and 'secularists' are of them."

Again, just pompous!

notfluffyatall · 14/02/2012 22:17

I honestly don't know what your problem is. I've already said, no one wants to destroy churches (well they have been emptying and being turned into pubs and houses without my help but no one's talking about bulldozing St Pauls), artworks, music, literature etc etc. It's all safe. I just don't want you praying near me or my children and I want bishops out of the house of lords.

Why do you feel the need to foist your beliefs in my face?

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