To be taken aback this woman is getting DLA?

[lesley33]

Was talking at work with the receptionist about the changes to DLA and the move to PIP. I am worried about how this will negatively affect some people. However I was taken aback when the receptionist said that she would lose lower rate DLA which she got for depression.

I know she had depression a couple of years ago. But since then she has been in work every day and always seemed fine at work. I know people can be depressed and seem fine, but really if you can manage to work with depression then surely you shouldn't be getting DLA?

Just to say she is a very honest type of person and I am sure wouldn't have lied to get DLA. She hasn't been off sick. And what sticks in the throat a bit is I know there are other colleagues on low wages who have honestly struggled with mental health problems during this time such as anxiety and depression.

And I know you can work and get DLA. I just think if your disability is depression and you can work fine then you shouldn't get DLA. I am her manager so I know she has had no sick leave and there are no special measures in place to support her.

perfectfather - you have been told that this helps keep people in work, and I do actually believe that you 'know' it helps keep people in work, but you choose to call it bullshit. I reckon you only do so because to say any other would spoil your blinkered rants.

Made good on what you had lost? What does that even mean? How can you know? That is not what it is about at all. I am going to leave this thread now because you are too stupid to understand it and/or see the bigger picture. Do you know what I am grateful? for the bloody hide thread button!

ThePerfectFather - please address my point then - being in receipt of DLA and CA means that I save the NHS £10000 after my benefit deductions. Or would you rather I got a job, paid less than 10000 in tax and still got the NHS to care for him, costing the 'public' more?

Look, You would be paying the same amount of tax no matter what and YOU should be thankful that you live in a society that god forbid anything should happen to you psychically or mentally that would will be looked after.

You clearly have no idea how taxes are distributed. You do understand that Food, Alcohol and cigarettes are taxed? People who are disables eat and drink too. Lot's of us also work or have partners who work so please get off your high horse.

chandellina money can not make good what you have lost, wow you really are a bit odd saying that,

Sevenfold

our parents our granparents , outr grandparnets grandparents

That not nice to hear your daughter has a helth problem created by The NHS . That must be really shit

However we do have, in this country, a fall back net and people are looked after

I just don't think folk shouls moan about DLA

All the talk of means testing usually omits to mention that tax is means tested. I already paid for the benefits I get when I could work. Like Prudential insurance. Or National Insurance. Pay in when you can, take out when you need.

I don't moan about it actually, it is the op and people like jackbootdad who are moaning about it.
I find DLA a great help. but I never judge others and decide wether they should get it or not , like the op has.

chandellina You serious? When someone prangs your car by accident, do you expec t another car as good, or not?

Are you lot familiar with the concept of 'less eligibility'? Considered inhumane in Dickensian Britain, but revived by Callmedave

DLA IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT

Just saying.

chandellina what the fuck are you on about?

Just asking

I dont know you chandellina but I would happily put money on the fact that my disabled OH has contributed more to society in his life than you have.

And given your attitude, more than you ever will.

I'm not shocked by the attitudes of some of the posters on this thread but I do find it depressing. I hope none of you ever need DLA. I used to help people apply for it for years before I ever had personal experience of making an application (for my disabled daughter). DLA pays for her physiotherapy. She has it twice a month. The NHS offers her less than one session every two months. It's a scandal. There is no money left to pay for other bits of equipment that she needs and the NHS won't pay for a lifechanging operation that has been endorsed by NICE. But hey, dd shouldn't expect a near normal life apparently

You know what - I apologise for causing offence, and for being incoherent in my comments.

I only wanted to express that I have never known of a family without hardships, how they are dealt with is the question and I don't think the answer can always be the state.

But chandellina - there isn't any other option BUT the State. All this Big Society faff was tried before we had the Welfare State and it doesn't work. Well it does if you want ordinary people worn down by Ignorance Poverty Dirt and Disease and cap in hand to Lady Bountiful

i think the uk is doing alright in terms of looking after people.

You would not get a house in austrlia paid for you and you would not get free medical care

Things are crap though and people have to jump through hoops to get the benefits they are entitled to

I totally disagree. Family and community do help their own all the time. Losing that through an increased reliance on the state has a massive social and financial cost. I'm not claiming I know how to change attitudes though.

Was replying to Julia

not have families that will help them though,
as for jumping through hoops. bit hard when you are disabled.

IDoNotLikeFun - the issue I have with the sleeping at night/not sleeping at night (apart form the fact that my boy who routinely wakes up at silly o'clock is considered to sleep at night for the purposes of DLA ) is the way that that particular distinction, for children with autism, is what qualifies them as suffering a sufficiently severe state of mental impairment to qualify for HRM.

Both of my children get LRM "because they need supervision when walking through unfamiliar places" Too right they do - in fact, DS2 needs so much supervision, wherever he goes, even the route to school that he walks every day, that I have to put a harness on him. DS1's classmates are beginning to walk to school and back on their own. I can't even let DS1 go to the postbox at the end of our block of houses alone because he'll forget he's not to walk along the kerb when there's traffic racing past or he'll start kicking around the dog turd that's been left lying next to the post box. He can't play out in the back street like kids half his age because his impulse control is so poor he cannot resist fiddling about with other people's cars. Like his younger brother, he needs close supervision every moment he is awake, yet because he goes to sleep at some point in the evening and sleeps for 8 hours, he is not considered mentally impaired to the point he cannot go out alone.

I'm really grateful that both boys do get some reasonable sleep, but not impressed with a system that uses that as an arbitrary measure of whether or not they need close 1:1 assistance whenever they leave the house, or not.

The POINT of DLA and CA (such as it is) is to allow people to be supported by their friends and family.

In the good old days they would be shoved in institutions and left to die.

DLA enables my OH to run a reliable car to get him to work where he supports people with cognitive disabilities to have a fulfilling life. It allows him to work part time and still pay taxes. Without it he will probably have to give up work altogether.

I have taken a look at the new PIP and it looks like my OH will no longer qualify for high rate DLA even though he cannot walk more than a few feet.

He has Multiple Sclerosis. I think even the Daily Mail would be hard pushed to class that as a made up illness

So after years of working and paying those all important taxes we have poverty and insecurity to look forward to in our middle and late years.

Thanks Dave.

ouryve it is very arbitrary isn't it? And a lot of the time is all in the interpretation of the criteria.

DS gets HRM but it was a year-long process. I found this which clarified for me his difficulties and the case law. Eventually with enough written evidence from medical and educational professionals it was agreed that he qualifies (at the moment - hoping for an improvement as he matures and learns!) under severe mental impairment.

The point is that though the legs work - the neurological condition is STILL a physical and organic difficulty which can make even walking a metre impossible. It's very hard, I know

Oh - and I also found that many people who were giving supporting evidence would unthinkingly write that DS "refused" to make walking progress when in fact he was unable to. I had to prove that he could not be motivated or cajoled unlike NT children and to specify the many reasons why. A very important distinction and one the decision-maker looks out for.