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To think if it was a white Tory rather than a black Labour poli...

98 replies

OldMumsy · 29/01/2012 19:01

re the smacking thing, this would have been big thing on MN, being all socialist and all that, bunch of hypocrites. Imagine if Boris or Dave had said smack your children you would have been screeching, but Lammy, nothing, nada...

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StrandedBear · 29/01/2012 19:02

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donnie · 29/01/2012 19:02

what exactly the fuck are you going on about please?

BoysAreLikeDogs · 29/01/2012 19:05

If we are all a bunch of hypocrites why are you still here, OP? Or are you a hypocrite too?

EdlessAllenPoe · 29/01/2012 19:05

you are going to have to provide a link.

though Diane Abbot did get a rating for her comments on here...

cheekyseamonkey · 29/01/2012 19:05

???? I'm currently listening to Boris on FIVE LIve, right now, saying smacking is legal, should do it. What the hell are you on about?

donnie · 29/01/2012 19:06

should be good for a laugh anyway Wink

ChaoticAngel · 29/01/2012 19:07
Confused
donnie · 29/01/2012 19:07

the only inference I can draw is that the OP is not enamoured of THOSE OF US WHO AIN'T WHITEYS.

Is this true OP? here layeth the gauntlet......

WorraLiberty · 29/01/2012 19:08

Do you have a drink link?

cheekyseamonkey · 29/01/2012 19:09

:0 Worra A large lambrini?

WorraLiberty · 29/01/2012 19:10

I think it's going to take more than a bottle of fizzy shite to get us through this thread cheeky Grin

Birdsgottafly · 29/01/2012 19:13

This is the only link that i could find, it was in every paper today.

web.orange.co.uk/article/news/mp_smacking_law_partly_...

WorraLiberty · 29/01/2012 19:14

Says 'Page not found' Birds Sad

Birdsgottafly · 29/01/2012 19:15

I am disgusted by the sugestion that people are rioting because they were not smacked enough. You would think that an MP would be well aware of the positive disipline methods that work somuch better, especially in disadvantaged/gang culture areas.

Somewhat agree with the OP.

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 29/01/2012 19:15

I think op might be referring to the MN web chat with that Lammy whatshisface.

RuleBritannia · 29/01/2012 19:16

It doesn't matter what background we have or what colour(s) we are; we should be allowed to feel that we can smack (not hit or beat) our own children if they ignore us, misbehave and are generally going to become the noxious yoof of tomorrow.

One thing I remember though is that criminals' origins used to be described in the newspapers and broadcasts. Suddenly it was non-PC and we were not 'allowed' to know. It's time we had a proper review of the backgrounds and origins of the prison population. Then we'd know where to aim our 'smacks'. Seriously though, A smack does not have to be hard; a pat on the bottom or hand works wonders it certainly used to.

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 29/01/2012 19:16

He made some comment about how he thought parents should be allowed to smack and about the law saying that it shouldn't leave a red mark, which wouldn't work with his children because they are black. Or something like that.

Birdsgottafly · 29/01/2012 19:17

newsdeskinternational.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/labou...

Birdsgottafly · 29/01/2012 19:20

Taken from the Express.
Legislation surrounding the smacking of children needs to be relaxed so working-class parents can instil discipline in their homes without fearing prosecution, according to a senior Labour politician.

Legislation surrounding the smacking of children needs to be relaxed so working-class parents can instil discipline in their homes without fearing prosecution, according to a senior Labour politician.

MP for Tottenham David Lammy claimed Labour's 2004 decision to tighten up the smacking law was partly to blame for last summer's riots, which erupted in his north London constituency.

In an interview with LBC Radio, the former education minister said: "Many of my constituents came up to me after the riots and blamed the Labour Government, saying: 'You guys stopped us being able to smack our children'. I have to say when this was first raised with me I was pretty disparaging. But I started to listen. These parents are scared to smack their children and paranoid that social workers will get involved and take their children away."

Mr Lammy, who admitted to smacking his three and five-year-old sons, said working-class parents should be able to physically discipline their children to prevent them from joining gangs and getting involved in knife crime.

Current legislation, enforced under The Children Act of 2004, says parents are allowed to smack their offspring without causing the "reddening of the skin".

Previously they could use "reasonable chastisement" with a judge deciding if they had over-stepped the mark. However, since the 2004 amendments the decision has been left to social workers.

Mr Lammy said a lot of parents in his constituency have been left confused by the changes and were reluctant to physically discipline their children in case they were contacted by social workers.

He added: "The law used to allow 'reasonable chastisement', but current legislation stops actions that lead to a reddening of the skin - which for a lot of my non-white residents isn't really an issue."

The politician argued parents in Tottenham had to raise their children "with knives, gangs and the dangers of violent crime just outside the window", but "no longer feel sovereign in their own homes", because of the laws. "The ability to exercise their own judgment in relation to discipline and reasonable chastisement has been taken away," he added.

Mr Lammy has set out his support changing the smacking laws in his book Out Of The Ashes: After The Riots.

WorraLiberty · 29/01/2012 19:22

Ahh thanks Birds

Still think the OP's pissed though...

Panfriedstardust · 29/01/2012 19:33

The quality of politicians - jeez. Black or white, they are still rubbish. But yes the OP sounds a bit pissed, sad, hates MN and could do with a gentle tap on the behind herself.

Panfriedstardust · 29/01/2012 19:37

oh and his comments are reserved for working class children. To make wc children behave better you need to hit them. Apparently. Not sure what the panacea is for mc children. He failed to illuminate us on that one.

cheekyseamonkey · 29/01/2012 20:29

Worra fizzy shite for OP only, I'm having imagining as f'ing pregnant AND heartburny a lovely Sancerre with a gin chaser...

LydiaWickham · 29/01/2012 20:33

link to story in Telegraph

Apparently, he's got a book out about the riots...

Bloodybridget · 29/01/2012 20:36

Apparently middle-class parents don't need to hit their children because the children go to private schools where discipline is stronger, and if they do seem likely to get into mischief they get sent to tennis lessons, whereas children from poor backgrounds have no option but to join gangs.
If DL seriously thinks that children from deprived backgrounds need to be smacked more at home, and then there'll be less youth offending, he has several screws loose and a frighteningly poor understanding of the dynamics of poverty, deprivation, gang culture and what constitutes good parenting.