To round up rightwingers and shoot them?

[Hullygully]

I am so bored and frustrated with politely pointing out why rightwingers are wrong about everything.

If I have to read one more thread about why someone with mental health issues shouldn't have had children, or why someone made homeless should have managed better, or why the benefits cap is a good thing because Fuck the Poor, I will get out my gun and raze the boards of MN.

STOP IGNORING THE FACTS YOU RIGHTWING IGNORAMUSES AND CLIMB DOWN OUT OF YOUR OWN NARROW ARSES TO THE WORLD THAT MOST PEOPLE STRUGGLE ALONG IN.

Oh, and you're all cunts BTW.

Peachy
yet a lot of those workers will have earnt less than £26K, and what about the civil servants who under labour were told they would have to chose between unemployment or moving hundreds or miles away when labour decided to move many civil services departments to the north of England. No-on thought this was heartless.

Kelly, I cannot speak for Hully, but perhaps you should be looking to be paid more instead of trying to justify the reduction of benefits to others. I realise that's just going to enrage you further but what is not fair is not that others may be getting more than you but that you are not getting more.

BelleDameSansMerci
everyone agrees that the benefits should exsist but at the moment only people that have been on the cider actally think the current system encourges people to go back to work

Unlimited benafits, makes people choosey about what work they will and won't do as they will recive the money forvever

Benefits that go up incremently every time you have a child would only encourge one to have more children
(at presant the only people that can affor very large families and those on benefits or the upper classes)

Benefits lead people who are not working to think they are entitled to live in areas they could never afford when working and that the majority of working people could not afford

No one is saying take benefits away but they should be limited just like a Woking person gets paid x amount weather they have 1 child or 7 they simply have to make a choice wether they can afford a large family

And that if your offered a job you should jolly well take it and that no one is to delicate to clean a loo or work in mc Donald's

RuleBritannia

The cap would be fine IF the housing required to exist within that were available; benefits only top that amount in exceedingly big families or where housing is expensive anyway. Unfortunately cheaper housing is generally snapped up and massively over subscribed: the waiting list here for social housing is 30,000; there is ONE flat going in the whole city for the HB amount and they say they will not take claimants!

The benefits amount rose to tackle the lack of affordable housing; they need to be addressed together or thousands will end up homeless. Funding homeless accommodation costs far more than housing benefit; and long term on poverty, health, education etc much more again.

false economy.

You said quite clearly that is was wrong people who did not work got benefits capped at £26K, so I said if you objected that much you were free to use your own wages to top up their incomes if you think they are being so hard done to.
And you have no idea how much I earn.

I'm a higher rate tax payer and still a lefty.

I'm not up for shooting (too squeemish) but I like the island of no job opportunities idea. Especially if all the services are funded by Lord Ashcroft and Phillip Green's tax contributions.

Actually, throw Tony Blair in too, the tax avoiding

Alright Kelly - that's the right wing in a nutshell.

That's the way it works you see?

I get paid a fair wage, but not doing anything does not deserve a wage of more than £26K.

Dawndonna
"You can fuck right off you silly old mare, you can't spell, you can barely string a coherent sentence together"

Very classy to be honest from your little rant their you sound like a bit of a Chav
I can't spell but just shows can't be taught CLASS

Or are you and Benefits and a little jumpy today with the bit and all

I just knew RuleBrittania's post would be a good 'un.

I agree with BelleDame upstream - none of us know what might be round the corner in our lives and I, for one, like to know there is a system in place to help people.

Unless of course we go back to the good old Workhouse days. They must have been fun

It's actually very liberating to just go bang.

YY

Admittedly, I am not stupid enough to understand all this political stuffs, but I do regularly entertain the thought of boshing people that fuck me right off with a good ol' Luger.

ahem, not clever enough

shirley,
If you hate the rightwing so much why do you want their tax money?

'No one is saying take benefits away but they should be limited just like a Woking person gets paid x amount weather they have 1 child or 7 they simply have to make a choice wether they can afford a large family '

Working people get access to Tax Credits. And Child Benefit.

And whilst there may well be an issue as to the choices people on benefits make with family size 9though almost every benefit claiming family I personally worked with on my own caseload was a 2 child family) there are plenty more that either already exist and need to be fed and clothes, or where the parents WERE earning well and sickness, death or redundancy happened.

back when i had the boys people were told' save enough to keep you afloat for 3 - 6 months; nobody expected a job market where getting back in work could easily take twice that!

Besides, the cap includes the benefit paid to people injured in an industrial accident: anyone who thinks those people never worked and are automatically workshy should take the oxy out of oxymoron!

salmo,
Benefits are not being ended, just being capped to £26K.

It's not a wage -

If you earn less that £26k and think that people on benefits are living the life of riley doing fuck all and getting a £26k "wage" then why the hell aren't you doing it?

Maypole - I have no personal experience (which is why I generally stay off benefits threads) but I did spend some time working in Rotherham. It's an environment where there has been no available work for three generations of some families. It's heartbreaking to see the lack of opportunity and the total lack of social mobility. Whole communities were destroyed by the Tory policies of the 80s and not much has been done to help many of them since. I can see how a "benefits culture" happens but surely the answer is to find a way to create work not to remove benefits and leave them with even less?

I don't know what the answer is. I wish I did.

Whats wrong with wanting a smaller state and lower taxation. Not everyone wants a big state interferring in nearly all aspects of their lives and not everyone wants large amounts to see their earnings disappear through tax. Why does that make a wicked person or deserving of being shot?

Kelly - what on earth are you talking about - I pay taxes as well, everyone pays taxes. Dear, dear you're struggling with this debate a bit, dear.

Thing is Maypole, I have a number of degrees. I am well educated and extremely classy. That's something that money can't buy.
Yes, I am extremely jumpy about benefits today, Maypole, as are my three disabled children. It's sanctimonious, obfuscatory twats like you that have brought this about.

I know that Kelly but there are people out there who really struggle on that if they have added expenses due to disability etc.

I fully admit I'm not fully knowlegeable about the cuts etc. but I did actually know they weren't being done away with entirely!

Ooops - too many fullys

Yes of course there must be a safety net in place to support people who require that support.
But it should not be a long term thing. Also I think after three children child benefit should not be given to any subsequent children. It used to be that you only got child benefit for the first child. I say this because I have met a number of people who have openly stated that they are having another child for a bigger house or more money and anyone who thinks this isn't common is kidding themselves.
We never had this level of benefit payout in previous generations, what has gone wrong that we now require such a high level of benefits to be paid? Imo it is because it is now completely acceptable to spend your entire life on benefits and whilst it is people will never pursue further opportunities. Why should they? Where is the motivation to take a job which will mean someone being worse off than they were without one? That is insane.