to think that disability affects you all?

[LadySybilDeChocolate]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a1380515-AIBU-about-the-government-lying-about-DLA#29486359 I'm talking about this thread. Your support is needed. Disability is an ongoing issue and the disabled are being bastardised at the moment. Children are having vital benefits cut, as are those who really need them. We all know someone who's disabled. By burying your head in the sand you're ignoring the needs of your relatives, your friends or your children.

I know plenty of people who have a disability. They range from my lovely nephew who is autistic to my mother who has Osteoperosis and heart failure. These cuts would affect my family. What about yours?

In germany (and I know I always bang on about them, but they do somethings well) companies over a certain size have to employ a specific number of people who are registered disabled. I must read up on it, I know a few people who have been employed due to this law - one of whom was a guy who trained with me. He had cystic fibrosis and his contract included stipulations for when he was ill or on regular Heath retreats.

Sorry, tht was to the working disabled comments. It is to the advantage of the country to ensure that disabled people are mobile, that thy can go out and earn their living.

I think that's a building issue rather then discrimination catapult. The underground was built such a long time ago and there's just no access for anyone in a wheelchair. It's dire for parents with buggies also.

where are these £17,000 jobs though. Searched my local paper today and there was one......
At the moment I am self employed, as its the only way to go with a high rate DLA recieving child, but Im lucky if I pull in more than a grand a year. I can, according to WTC, earn up to £7000 before my WTC would reduce at all, so that means Im already surviving on £6,000 less than I 'could' be.
If they start knocking off the enhanced rate of WTC for disabled child, taking away Carer's allowance, and reducing the extra I get on HB because of the disability thats going to be a huge chunk.

It's a huge advantage for the country if disabled people work. Just because they may be in a wheelchair/blind/deaf it doesn't mean they are useless. It's difficult for anyone to get a job at the moment though. I was forced out of mine because I took too much time off sick. I was told that I wasn't allowed any more time off at all so I had no other option other then to leave.

MmeLindor - at the moment it is hard enough to get a job if you have no disabilities.

It would be a massive chunk Nettle.

yes i know that sybil,

but they are trying to say using a wheelchair is no differnt to someone walking normally and was just trying to explain how differnt it really is .dont think some people realise just how tricky it is in a wheelchair .

simple things trying to open a heavy door and then hold door and push self through it need 3 hands

and yup its a pita with abuggy but you can juggle just about with buggy/toddler . hehe like to see someone juggle me and my wheelchair up the stairs and escualtor

i like mp to take a wheelchair challenge for 24 hrs and go about their normal life without asking for extra help assistance .

Then i really think they get some idea what it is like

I think it's obvious that life in a wheel chair must be much, much, much more difficult than for those who can walk. It's bloody obvious. The tories are utter bastards.

how many would not be able to even get in their own frontdoors or go to the shop etc

perception im going eb completley honest i knew it was tough as ds3 uses one for distance etc so was not completley naieve , but i could lift him and his chair up/down Kerbs stairs on and of trains

Pull a door open with my hand wdge open with leg push him through .

But since ending up parylised and ina wheelchair realise just how tricky it is when your sat in that chair and unless world stronget man comes past that one step might as wll be 55 steps as your not going in

let alone anyone taht uses a power chair where batteris distance limits you

Yes, that is true. Jobs are scarce anyway, and when a company is struggling I can see they would feel unable to offer q job to a person who may well be off ill regularly.

I went to Berlin when DS was a baby and was astonished how difficult it was to get around with a buggy. In our town the buses and trams were all accessible. I remember thinking, "Well this is shit, but at least I can bump the buggy down stairs or carry it. How on earth would a disabled person manage?'

luckly i movd from the town i lived in over 10 thousand people so not a small town .

Mon-sat there is no accesssible bus at all there only day a wheelchair user can leave that town is on a Sunday bus every 2 hours .

so people lose thier mobility cars there how on earth do they get to hospital appointments/food shopping / social life/dentist

Okay Summary as I understand it: DLA to PIP debate is in the house of lords on Tuesday:

Disabled Living Allowance is a pretty much fraud proof benefit that gets paid out to people whose diabilities mean they have extra costs to get around and care for themselves. It's the one that can be 'traded' in to rent a mobility car (+ a deposit and paying for any adaptions you need yourself)

Key issues with changing DLA to PIP is that the change involves a face-to-face interview as assessment instead of the highly vigorous paperwork trail and medical evidence based system from before.

The aim is to reduce the budget for DLA by 20%

Since the fraud rate is less than 1% this means 1/5 of current genuinely disabled claimants being reclassified as not-disabled, with a potential kick-on effect for other benefits they recieve - particularly important for anyone currently not able to or unable to find suitable work. The interview is a tick-box system, meaning that some disabilities are extremely likely to be 'missed' most vulnerable seem to be mental health issues and conditions such as Autism - and anyone who puts a brave face on it

As well as some other equally shitty 'tightening' of the rules which means genuinely disabled people (like those in wheelchairs) will miss out not just on the extra money that in many cases enables them to work but also to leave the house at all... clearly not conducive to helping anyone get a job!

Amendments we're looking for on tuesday:

pat's petition - a pause to reconsider the impact cuts are having on disabled people before anything else is pushed through

exemption some people for whom face-to-face interviews aren't going to tell them much and who will find it very difficult to cooperate (for eg, people with autism)

keeping a lower paying entitlement for those with more moderate difficulties who DO need the extra cash to help them live as normally as possible (and be as employable as possible) but aren't severly disabled.

#Frothers planning a post on this tonight or tomorrow, anything else that this thread would like to add. (if you don't know we're the founded on MN blog against stupid cuts and destroying the good bits of our lovely welfare state)

Will DS (4) have to have a face-to-face interview?

Good luck with getting a response or even any eye-contact. I suppose he'll be deemed to have refused to answer the questions

yep , how on earth would i get to a interview looking around not lot of jobs on offer within 50 m of my house .Erm even going to the hop is more than 50 m

Then theres getting dd to school

actually that's a good point, i don't know what it says about dc that recieve dla.

the whole document is deliberately awful to read, really hard to find the relevent bits. Does EDCM know?

"I am lucky, one of my ds's has various disabilities, and receives low rate mobility and high rate care via DLA so we get the extra tax credits"

TopKnob I hate to be the one to tell you this...

Middlerate Care and mobility and lower are being scrapped under these new propsals, are the tax credits disability element.

TeWihara
at the moment under 16 will not be moved to Pip , but i suspect it may come .

So that be ds3 having to join me in having no life as be unable to get ou and about

Thank you TiWi.

That wouldn't surprise me Winter.

I'll put that in then.

I am so hopefully that we will have a good result in the lords on tuesday, every step is so agonising.

I'm not directly affected (now, who knows what could happen) but almost the whole welfare reform bill so insanely immoral and wrong I don't know how it doesn't just get thrown out entirely.

It's very wrong. It's appaling and makes me ashamed to be British. So much for supporting the vulnerable.

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20968 Don't forget about the petition. Make your voice count.

Just a quick note to the petition, they are not asking for them to be stopped, just a pause and a closer look to the welfare bill and how it will really affect everyone. Asking for a pause isnt asking a lot.