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to think that disability affects you all?

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LadySybilDeChocolate · 14/01/2012 17:07

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a1380515-AIBU-about-the-government-lying-about-DLA#29486359 I'm talking about this thread. Your support is needed. Disability is an ongoing issue and the disabled are being bastardised at the moment. Children are having vital benefits cut, as are those who really need them. We all know someone who's disabled. By burying your head in the sand you're ignoring the needs of your relatives, your friends or your children.

I know plenty of people who have a disability. They range from my lovely nephew who is autistic to my mother who has Osteoperosis and heart failure. These cuts would affect my family. What about yours?

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Glitterknickaz · 15/01/2012 18:29

I'd say they'll make them do it, Sevenfold.
That charmer my friend had was at the Brighton office too.

Sevenfold · 15/01/2012 18:29

tbh I can't imagine how she could not be ok, it would be just daft beyond daft otherwise....
oh hang on the government is daft

Sevenfold · 15/01/2012 18:30

Glitter I will send Ds with her then, god help anyone if they shouted at her.

TheHumancatapult · 15/01/2012 18:31

Glitter I not had that delight yet as I'm not claiming incapacity , I claim is and carers and by time they added the premiums on was about £50 a month less in it

So I decided that I rather not have the added stress with it . But they bring in the new UC then in going to have to claim it as carers Wont protect me from bring expected to work .

And since I can not be both I shall give up carers and gamble on ESA full support for me . I shall course still be a carer but they obviously figured £54 a week to much so shall have to do it for free

spenditwisely · 15/01/2012 18:39

I'm starting to get very cross now, about these cuts. It infuriates me when I see half our stuff produced in China, our chicken and pork imported from Holland, our millionaires in tax-free havens and our call-centres in India. And yet I know a family of 3 adults on DLA due to essentially, lack of work leading to depression, alcohol and obesity.

A lot of the fraud in the system is a direct result of there not being enough decent jobs in this country, most unskilled work being paid very poorly and going to immigrants. If the fraud didn't exist I don't think we would be being questioned and doubted so much. I believe that most people want to work. These people I know that are on DLA are on it because they have struggled to find work that isn't soul-destroying.

If we had subsidised manufacturing we wouldn't have these dead areas in the UK. Sorry it's off the track but I do feel we are being penalised because this country has failed to help us make a decent living working for a decent employer.

LadySybilDeChocolate · 15/01/2012 18:44

That's a very good point spenditwisely. I think the last governments plans for 50% (??) of students to go to University is part of this. There just isn't the jobs.

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Dawndonna · 15/01/2012 18:51

Dh has indefinite. However, even those with an indefinite award are apparently going to be reassessed.

LadySybilDeChocolate · 15/01/2012 18:57

I'm self employed. Can I charge them for my time? Hmm It took ages to fill the bloody form in.

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Dawndonna · 15/01/2012 19:33

Dare you, LadySybil
Grin

TeWihara · 15/01/2012 19:49

Garlic and I have done a post on DLA to PIP reform on Frothers if anyone has any feedback/we've got it all horribly wrong very happy to hear it and correct if necessary.

PS LadySyb - of course you should charge! Grin

TeWihara · 15/01/2012 19:50

erm oops

post here

sorry, brain still in HTML apparently.

Glitterknickaz · 15/01/2012 20:18

There's going to be an interesting article in the Guardian on Tuesday.

LadySybilDeChocolate · 15/01/2012 20:25

I'll wait for the appointment to come through, then send them an invoice for my time. Wink

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Pendeen · 15/01/2012 22:00

Dillydaydreaming

".. so am just descending to your level ..^

Not really. I am not the one using playground insults am I?

" Irritated? "

Perhaps, perhaps not but my taking issue with some of the OP's comments (whilst admitting my sympathy for her POV) seems to have provoked you way beyond irritation.

LadySybilDeChocolate · 15/01/2012 22:28

You've said that you think that I am being unreasonable, you have not mentioned why though Pendeen. We all know people who are disabled, whether directly or indirectly unless of course we live on a deserted island. The gent who works in the supermarket could be disabled, your cousin or the child walking down the street. Disability affects everyone in one way or another. I used to work in the NHS so I've seen how disability affects families. Children with SN can bring so much joy but they are hard work and nappies/transport etc don't come cheap. So, what's your problem?

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NettleTea · 15/01/2012 22:48

DD has had 3 asesments since she was diagnosed at 4, the last one carries her through until she is 16.

The problem with something like her condition is that it is so variable. One week she can be in apparent perfect health to an onlooker, so a tick form based on what she can do on one of those days would take her off any benefit at all, and take no account of what she has to go through daily to be able to BE like that (medication, physiotherapy, care with where she goes/what she does/who she comes into contact with)

But then BAM, within hours she gets a chest infection, loses the function of half her lungs in one go, weight drops off her like a stone, its an effort to walk, to breathe, she needs to take a mountain load of drugs which make her sick, she is literally drowning in her own mucus and hasnt the energy to do the physiotherapy, is up half the night coughing and sweating her blood sugars go awry and she needs to go into hospital to be hooked up to IV antibiotics and blood taken every other day - sometimes her kidneys get affected and the drugs have to stop, and its a long hard slog to regain her previous health, and we pray that this infection hasnt damaged her lungs so that they never get back to what they were.

Added to that she's just a little girl. She's frightened. She knows this disease kills, and it kills kids, and it doesnt progress steadily, its insiduous and unpredictable. You need to care for her through that, when she just wants to be a little girl like her friends, to do what other kids do.

Her condition is genetic. 1 in 25 of us in the UK are carriers and we show no symptoms. So Pendeen, we cant be so sure that it will never affect us. My life and my family's lives have been turned upside down by the genetic bad luck of the draw. The reality turned out to be so far removed from the future planned. And depending upon the fates of what day my daughter gets called for her PIP assesment will literally dictate whether her life is liveable or an extra struggle over and beyond what her future struggles will be, as she gradually deteriorates year on year. The average life expectancy for a child with her condition is 31. Do you really think it is fair that she, and so many others like her, should be one pushed by poverty to the edges of society, not even given the dignity of a decent quality of life just to balance the books of politicians who only appear to have the interests of the financial services and their friends in big business in mind.

At least the DLA forms allowed the full medical history to be taken into account, verified by consultants and other medical professionals. Not a simple tick box form filled in by a call centre kid who wouldnt know his arse from his elbow.

Glitterknickaz · 15/01/2012 22:49

Oh.... and now Gove wants to give the Queen a yacht.
Fuck the disabled people, yeah? Cos we've got no money.

spenditwisely · 15/01/2012 22:54

You're kidding Glitter. I love to hate Michael Gove. They really are making it up as they go along.

Glitterknickaz · 15/01/2012 22:56

read all about it

NearlyMrsCustardsHardHat · 15/01/2012 23:01

To the people who asked who told me I couldn't claim it was the DWP when I became a single parent and was unemployed they asked if I had any disabilities, I said yes, and they said that it's not a condition I can claim for. Never thought to argue otherwise as I wanted to get back to work ASAP.

I get the feeling I should have argued the toss with them.

Glitterknickaz · 15/01/2012 23:03

Thing is it's not the disability itself that makes you eligible for DLA it's how that disability manifests itself and affects your life. People do get DLA for fibromyalgia.

NearlyMrsCustardsHardHat · 15/01/2012 23:05

Probably why I didn't argue the toss then because I don't/didn't consider it as a disability more of an inconvenience. Still. I've been educated (not just on a personal level with the fibro but in the wider scope of things) by reading this thread!

spenditwisely · 15/01/2012 23:24

Great post on Frothers Tewihara, it's good to see a bit of clarity. I really don't understand much about these new rules (and that's exactly what they want).

Nettletea you are describing exactly my and probably most peoples exasperation with the system - it should be needs led, not a band of payment that you should be measured by - as Tewihara says in the frothers post, they measure 'how disabled you are'. Many disabilities are worse at some times than others and the level of need regularly changes.

It's all complete nonsense. And I would love to see evidence of how many people have disabilities as a direct result of NHS incompetence. Whether it's PIP implants, dodgy drugs, quack doctors or poor prevention. And now we're all getting pancreatic cancer because of the stuff they put into bacon and ham. But that's not a problem because it is fatal in 90% of cases so by the time we have signed onto DLA and filled the form in we will be dead.

I'm really starting to rant now, sorry...

Sevenfold · 16/01/2012 10:48

most of the young people I know are disabled due to the NHS.
some have been "lucky" and won compensation, but it takes years and years and the burden of proof is on the parents. very hard.

topknob · 16/01/2012 11:32

With regard to ATOS, I had a thought when hoovering :o Should ds be called, I shall advise them upon entering that I am recording the whole meeting and also could they please advise me on what experience they have in the various disabilites ds has and also what experience they have a child the very same age without any disabilities ! Before they even attempt to talk to him..Would that be unreasonable :)