...to be watching Graham Norton and thinking 'Madonna! What the fuck have you done to your face?! to your face

[runningwilde]

She looks terrible, her face has that bride of wilderstein/wind tunnel look

Aibu to want to shake her and ask her to think more 'Helen Mirren' and less Joan Rivers?!

Beautiful body but her face... Horrid.

Why do some women think this is a good look?!

:o it comes from the nickname we used with DD3 when she had a rotten cold. It was the only thing that made her laugh at the time, so now we use it whenever anyone is ill!

Why doesn;t she either sit on her hands or wave them around flamboyantly so cameras can;t focus on them. Even that would look better, surely?

I think the gloves are a good look. Just not those vulgar Chanel ones

Classic evening gloves would have been OK, those Chanel mitten things were ghastly.

It is a great shame. It says a lot about how ingrained ageism and the fear of ageing in women has become so strong

Why are people so afraid of ageing? Is it fear of death? If you look young you ARE young? Is it because of this youth worship culture we've got?

There's just nothing wrong with getting older. Nothing wrong with getting to 60 and looking 60. Nothing wrong with lines and wrinkles. It's such a shame that people put such pressure on themselves to keep up this pretence that they're young and unlined.

You know. In my husband's culture, this just doesn't exist (as far as he personally is aware, at least). People don't go to such silly lengths to look young. The elderly are respected, seen as wise people, people who have knowledge. Thus, being elderly is a great thing to be.

Here, otoh, the fact that you have lived a whole life and gained a lot of experience means nothing. Once you get to 60, you are deemed to know nothing about anything and 18 yr olds act like they know more than you do.

Agreed Hecate. I think it stems from fear of being infirm or vulnerable. We push a way, almost literally, what we fear. The elderly still being dehumanised in hospitals and care homes ...

Hecate, where's your DH from?

The thing about Madge's battle with ageing is that this is celebrity culture, which bears only a passing resemblance to normal life.

He's Kikuyu. (a Kenyan tribe)

Ooh, I knew Kikuyu was Kenyan!

Me ex lodger was a Kikuyu person.

Did they still have their Rs?

When I first met my husband, he had the sexist accent. The way he pronounced the letter R made me melt into a gooey puddle

13 years down the line and he speaks with a slight northern accent. He's totally lost his Rs.

It's almost grounds for divorce, I tell you.

sexist?
sexiest. sexyist? how the hell do you spell it?

Bugger it.

Most sexy. He had the most sexy accent.

Yeah he did talk very sexy. Very soft and precise.

I had a fab party at my house years ago where the Kenyan rugby team came over. I never knew Kenya had a rugby team. Epic party that went on till 6:00am.

mmmmmm

I miss that.

My husband also used to make this high pitched AyEEEEE exclamation of alarm. That was amusing.

I tormented him so often that he's stopped doing that too.

Mum "How's X?"
Me "Oh, he's fine. He's dancing round the living room naked right now"
Him "AyEEEEEEEEE! I am clothe-ed"

Now I say things like that and it barely gets a rustle of his newspaper.

X-post. I miss the accent. Not the rugby team.

I never had the rugby team.

I feel it's very important to say that.

My lodger used to go ayyyyeeee-yiy-yiy and then laugh like a girl.

YES! That's it even the laugh!!

your lodger wasn't my husband, was he?

I was just wondering that.....I don't think so. He was deported back to Kenya.

Oh. That's a shame. Poor bloke.

How long ago was this, btw?