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To think that the West is seriously fucked up on the bosom front?

918 replies

Hullygully · 12/01/2012 12:49

Bags of poison sewn into our infant feeding parts.

How fucked up is that?

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Hullygully · 17/01/2012 15:25

It's the history of the first 50 years of implants.

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Hullygully · 17/01/2012 15:35

The first one came about because a couple of male doctors wanted to have a go at it.

dear lord.

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Hoopsadazy · 17/01/2012 15:50

I always watch films with keira knightly and kate hudson as I love to see confident actresses with small breasts looking glam. I went to a girls school and although was a late developer and always flat chested, never got picked on for it - or noticed i was - and always thought any man who cared was not worth worrying about. Would've hated to be talked to my chest like a friend used to get when we were out (she was deeply cleavaged). Knew any guy was interested in me and not my chest. Bit miserable that even small breasts shrunk after bf'g though. Mostly as clothes are cut to fit in large chests. For all you with DDs out there, ensure they have confidence in themselves and their personality and they won't care about their bodies in that way.

YuleingFanjo · 17/01/2012 15:56

"The first one came about because a couple of male doctors wanted to have a go at it"

which is just ridiculous isn't it. 'let's see if we can make breasts bigger'? I wonder if their interest was a medical one or not.

Thinkingof4 · 17/01/2012 15:57

Hmm those 'pioneering' doctors obviously weren't subject to ethics committees in those days!!

Interesting read though

Mrsmonnty · 17/01/2012 16:52

OP I have breast fed all 3 of my children (dc2 till he was 3) with breast implants and they are completely healthy and my implants have had no effect on them at all.

Choosing to have Implants is no different to some who chooses to have a tattoo and that isnt frowned upon. Yes i have tattoos aswell Shock

I think it is Unreasonable to judge people for doing it as for most its got nothing to do with wanting to parade them around in everyones face.

And besides the PIP saga has got nothing to do with the why's its about women getting what they have paid for.

kerstina · 17/01/2012 17:22

I do not suppose any you lot were watching CBB last night ? Well the beautiful play boy models who have lovely figures were saying they were going to have implants Sad so would look more like the other glamour model in the house Georgia. Georgia has a really beautiful face and was talked about having a nose job Sad
We really are a f*** up society aren't we?
I wish the beautiful Kate Moss and Keira Knightley would do an advert telling young women not to do this to themselves. Self esteem should be encouraged at school and by parents of course.

valentia · 17/01/2012 17:24

ISWYM. I hate what boys think boobs are supposed to look like. I'm a teen and have large breasts but they make me feel down sometimes because they are nothing like pornstar boobs! Also some people on the bus were being rude about a picture of a topless girl that was going around the school saying she had saggy boobs when they looked fine to me :S

Thinkingof4 · 17/01/2012 17:34

Valentia, that's very sad re boys at your school. I'm sure you know that men tend to prefer the real thing and hopefully these boys will grow up and realise women are more than just breasts and a mind can be very beautiful

valentia · 17/01/2012 17:39

Thinkingof4 I'm not so sure, their minds seem to be so warped by everything they see on TV/online, and I've observed the objectification (sp?) of women in younger and younger boys :(

NorthernWreck · 17/01/2012 17:43

Well, I guess it is our duty to make sure our sons see us without clothes sometimes so they know what natural women look like.

I have said it before though, and will say it again for the benefit of valentia:

Men in real life generall are very grateful to get anywhere near women's bits in all their shapes and sizes, and don't seem to notice what we consider to be our imperfections-as long as we don't draw their attention to them!
Sex is about a lot more than aesthetics anyway. That's what porn misses completely.
It's about sensation, smell, taste and hormones, and the visual aspect is just a small part of sex.
Or at least, it is if you are doing it right! Wink

NorthernWreck · 17/01/2012 17:44

Oh, and love sometimes too!

valentia · 17/01/2012 17:58

NorthernWreck thank you, that made me feel better. I do reckon though that some guys play up to the whole aesthetics game when they actually haven't had any sexual experiences for themselves

NorthernWreck · 17/01/2012 18:02

You are quite welcome!

And yes-spot on.
I remember being about 15, back when dinasours roamed the earth, and hearing two boys in my class saying that one girl had rubbish tits because they were too pointy!
(Virgins, both!)

waterlego6064 · 17/01/2012 18:18

Great post mapleleaf I identify with so many of your thoughts.

I had large, very pert boobs throughout my late teens and early 20s, thanks to the pill and the fact I was a little heavier in those days. Pregnancy, breastfeeding and getting to my mid-30s has given me totally different boobs- very small ( a bit less than a handful, I'd say!) and much softer than pre-babies but I really love them, more so than my younger boobs. At this age and stage of my life, I am surprised but pleased to have found an acceptance of my body I have never had before. I wish I could have felt this way when I was a teenager.

valentia · 17/01/2012 18:26

@NorthernWreck LOL! And in reply to the hair removal issue too, I think guys should wax or shave and see how hard it is to get into every nook and cranny Grin and experience ingrown hairs down there!

Thinkingof4 · 17/01/2012 18:27

Well I am doing my bit for society by exposing my 3 boys to a normal female naked body on a fairly regular basis. Oldest is just 5 and still comes into bathroom when I am having shower, quite often with other too as well. Not sure he'll remember when he's a teen though so I'll have to think of other ways to educate them in the future!!

Soutty · 17/01/2012 18:34

I had a breast uplift and implants just over a year ago. I was unhappy with my tits after children basically. Like someone else on the thread I'd been wearing gel bras to make them look as they had after children and asked my surgeon to make them naturally roughly the same size. This means that no one apart from my husband who knew what they really looked like can tell the difference.

I wasn't doing it for bigger tits, I was doing it because I hated my empty, saggy ones. They made me feel like my mother. Hers went the same way after she had us and I remember when I saw them when I was a child I thought how horrible they were even though I'd never seen any other breasts before. I'm sorry if that offends anyone - but I really think that it's not society that tells us that pert breasts look nicer than saggy old norks - pert breasts just are nicer.

To those of you who still feel sexy no matter what you look like, all power to you. I didn't and wouldn't go to bed without a bra on. Now I feel great. My husband was a bit apprehensive before I had them done (he was concerned I'd look like Jordan who I don't think anyone finds attractive) but he really loves them. In fact the only drawback is that he can't keep his hands off me now which can be a bit tiresome after years of marriage and when you have two small kids.

My scars are barely noticeable despite having an uplift. People who just have boob jobs have practically no scars. It's a very simple op - quick incision, whack em in and sew em back up and home the same day. The risks are minimal - PIPS notwithstanding. My implants come with a lifetime guarantee so if anything does go wrong with them they'll be removed and replaced. Oh and they move and they feel good and they look bloody marvellous so there.

I'm the sort of woman who takes a lot of care of her appearance - so probably, yeah I'm vain. I couldn't care less if people choose not to do that though and I don't really understand why others judge those who do. Horses for courses and all that.

Thinkingof4 · 17/01/2012 18:34

Another interesting thing about that article linked by hully was the two distinct groups of women requesting augmentation. The first being late teens/ early 20s as you might expect, but the second being slightly older women who are unhappy with their bodies post baby.
You would think that by that age women would have a greater confidence in themselves and their own self worth. What is happening to them to make them so unaccepting of the normal changes that occur after having kids/ getting older?
Perhaps the cult of the 'celebrity mum' has a part to play too.
Maybe a greater representation of slightly older women in the media would help turn the tide

Soutty · 17/01/2012 18:36

As they had before children even.

Thinkingof4 · 17/01/2012 18:38

X post souty not aimed at you directly

Soutty · 17/01/2012 18:42

I'm an intelligent educated woman. I am not influenced by "celebrity mums". I'm just a bit vain. I think if you can look better why look worse? I think you can look great when you get older it just takes more maintenance. I have a beautiful Victorian house. It benefits from sanding down and repainting now and again. People are no different.

perceptionreality · 17/01/2012 18:47

Soutty - I completely agree with everything you say. That's exactly how I feel and felt about my body after children.

Thistledew · 17/01/2012 18:48

It is interesting that even the people who have had implants themselves have not denied that we live in a society that encourages women to be dissatisfied with their bodies and to see small boobs as somehow abnormal.

There are similarities to the smoking debate. Yes, the big daemon is the industry/commercial interests, and yes, there is free choice to smoke if you believe it relaxes you or makes you look cool, but if no-one bought the things, there would be far fewer children starting in the first place.

flatbellyfella · 17/01/2012 18:50

Great post from NorthernWreck,

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