to envy/hate people on benefits to be as well off if not better than us

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I know that this post may have some mixed reviews and may even get me slated but I can,t help it.
Someone I know although she is a genuine case her and her husband have as much as me and dh coming in and with a brand new car thrown in for good measure.
I can only dream of a new car and I work my tripe off 5 days a week as well as dh whilst some people can sit at home and get the same income coming in it seems really unfair.

I dont think turning on molepom and MmeLindor is the answer, their motivation is kind.

Oh I read, nothing new then. loopy has an empathy deficit and needs help but othrerwise...

the holisays Op mentioned: IME (wide due to employment in sector before sn happened)- tend to be funded by charities including family fund who surely can spend on whatever they damn well want? We have holidays but theya re camping, we did have a foreign one alst year actually but because Dh's business had a run (obviously declared to everybody) and he earned it.

DLA by law has to be spent on boys, which it is.

Thank, Fanjo.

Peachy
That is weird, isn't it. That those claiming benefits are not supposed to have a holiday, or buy new clothes.

I have some old clothes in the cellar, I was going to use them as dusters as they are full of holes, but I think I will send them to you for your boys to wear. Rags are good enough for them. I have some sackcloths as well, if you want them.

Just to say as well that there are costs associated with going to work e.g. travel, clothes, childcare, that people take into account when looking at whether they would be better off in benefits or work.

Whilst someone on benefits COULD buy once upon a time there is NO WAY they could now. Not only that but many private LLs won;t touch them anyway, and even if they find a private HB LL if their child has a disorder that comes with behavioural issues for example they could well be told a big fat no due to potential damage.

OTOH we have a lovely LL who hasn't given us a rent rise for years so we could retrain to get sorted, works both ways, though if we'd not both had an income when we came here we'd have not passed agency checks.

Seriously though is anyone in SE Wales / Bristol has a vacancy for someone with an almost complete MA in ASD (charity sector / social my experience) around 20 hours a week and fancies opening it up, I am SICK of dependency and damned good at what I do. DH graduates in May so can start any time from then. Cheers!

'OOh thanks Mme, I am most 'umbly grateful to you marm, may I give some to DH to wear to the office Marm?'

Yes, that would be fine, Peachy.

PS
You forgot to doff your cap.

They don't only get DLA though, but other benefits as well. And I live in the north where houses can still be cheap to buy. I don't know if they have financial help from relatives to buy it as well. But they were clear that the mortgage was on the basis of benefit income and was being funded from this.

'Just to say as well that there are costs associated with going to work e.g. travel, clothes, childcare, that people take into account when looking at whether they would be better off in benefits or work.

Childcare and Sn- very often simply not available.

That's a pretty simple 'no' then tbh. SSD told us that if we sent ds1 to childcare and he hurt someone we would be held liable, plus at 12 he is too old for any but one club and that has a waiting list over a year. DS3 can only attend a Cm due to numbers / coping- his SN Transposrt arrives at exactly same time as school kick out in our town so even his old Cm who loves him dearly had to say no. taxi can't drop off outside school, we tried that, police kicked off.

And just to repeat the quote- 'Just to say as well that there are costs associated with going to work e.g. travel, clothes, childcare, that people take into account when looking at whether they would be better off in benefits or work.'

When it's all available, excepting those just simply too exhausted from caring etc (sleepless nights do that) then well- there are shits in all circles of life, I don't see why us 'genuines' should take flack for shitty people on ESA or DLA any more than working people should automatically take shite for alzy people e3tc etc etc.

Sorry Mme, I cannot afford a cap so will tug me forelock

FanjoForTheMammaries i will disagree with anyone who thinks threads like this should be allowed to stand.
even if the person says it is nice.
it is nice when people see the full story and don't just jump on the bandwagon like the op. but sadly as long as threads like this remain, sn bashing will continue on mn. and we will lose more posters who could have helped people.
for what a thread that was started by some one on a quest to cause trouble and hurt.

Lesly- Dla doesn;t always come with 'more benefits', so that varies.

Seriously in current claim I would be astounded if anyone on benefits could fine a mortgage. Sub prime market well over. And if they could then state saves as HB not payable on mortgage except intrest on tight conditions so £ for £ probably better for country you could argue. (I will be clear we rent and do not expect to buy even when both working again)

Twoifbysea
The op did point out that the couple she referred to are a genuine case.

Lesley
maybe they do, but this is the problem with threads like this one.

If we base our opinion on an issue on an anecdotal evidence of one or two families, then we are doing the other people affected by disability a disservice.

I have a cousin who hasn't worked for about 15 years. Despite his "bad back" he has been able to work on friends' houses. I don't think he gets DLA, but he certainly gets other benefits.

I don't think, going on this case, that the benefit system is wrong. I think that my cousin is a lazy arse.

And I don't grudge my aunt (not his mother) who has mild CP and truly needs her DLA and mobility car to get around, if she has a holiday once a year in a caravan. She had a small inheritance from her mother, and has used it to buy her council house which gives her security.

Given that the Daily Mail came out* today, will come out tomorrow and will no doubt continue to be published so long as there are loons to read it, I feel there really is no need for people to feel compelled to reproduce such vile and ignorant disablist rantings in another media forum. If you insist on being a twunk it is far better to do so in the company of other twunks, and in that regard I understand that the Daily Mail online forum is the place to be.

• contextually, the comment 'came out' is being used in the literal, rather than the homosexual, sense. In case you wondered.

Well I get incapcity benefit at higher rate plus disability living allowance. Both needed due to severe problems I have.

Some days it will seem to people I should not need these benefits as I can do a lot more (ie- clean house from top to bottom, do the shopping, school runs etc) yet the next day I can barely leave the house without the support and help from my partner and sometimes not at all.

So I am one of those people who someone could say I was 'fleecing' the system but unless they are with me 24 hours a day, seven days a week then they have no idea.

Suppose it could be said we get a decent amount to live on. As well as partner's wages, we have my incapacity benefit plus DLA. Then child tax credits for 2 children plus their child benefit. We also get a little off rent and council tax.

But we are not rolling in it. We have to pay all normal bills, plus prescription charges for my medication which is what I use my DLA for.

At the end of the day there are people out there who probably do lie to get more. But there are also a hell of a lot of people out there who do claim everything they are entitled to legit. So I may not do too bad with all the extras we get -but I can promise you if I could work I would prefer that.

If you want my illness you are more than welcome to it

well..sevenfold..IMO this thread is sort of encouraging as it has shown much more support against the bashers, and people coming out of the woodwork to give support, which didn't happen before..these threads used to end much worse ..

just my opinion though :)

Peachy
You could claim for a cap, so you can tug it.

Peachy/Lesley
just thinking about my aunt there - perhaps they have bought their council house, which would be cheaper than on the open market, particularly in Scotland.

i can also see your argument that if MNHQ shut these threads down people would see no point in starting them though :)

I have said clearly that I think it is fine for the couple I know to use benefits to buy a house.

And I said the stuff about the costs associated in going to work because people have compared the level of benefits someone can get and then the minimum wage someone can get and stated there is a big difference between the two. However this doesn't take into account the costs of going to work which for some people can be very high. So people can genuinely be worse off if they take a low paid job.

Sorry, Lesley. We seem to be disagreeing on the same agreement there :)

Yes, can see that it can leave people worse off working cause of the extra costs involved.

When I was working in Germany, I switched from FT to PT work because of the tax situation there. I was able to earn almost as much PT and had less costs for travel and clothes etc.

No its not a council house - but as I said some houses can still be bought here very cheaply. One of the main reasons I moved here from London.

If I was boss of the world I would give out free caps to all DLA applicants. It never does any harm to remind people where they fit into the world.

If I were managing the thread I;d delete harder but allow bits to stand. I wish it were otherwise but some experience helps real life debates- people need to know that the nasty extmees are sick though and I would cheerfully delete opinions such as loopy's alongside a permanent ban. A eugenecist comment in front of able-to-understand ds1 from a family member sent me into freefall earlier this year, probably precipitating my breakdown.

But people do need to know reality. They need to know most of us would give anything for it to be different. A week's camping in Wales for the chance of a cure to ASD? Really? if only!

Anyone who would choose to need to claim DLA should have thir kids removed tbh. Disability is a fucker. Dependency is a bugger that leads to otehr forms of poverty- the DLA part of fuel allowance ended a while back so increased risk of fuel poverty for people likely to need more heating (housebound / health etc); lack of access to credit in emergencies; lack of access to housing, childcare... and it won;t get better: if your child gets MR DLA at the moment you can claim carer's, under Universal Credit you will have to work or do workfare- if youc an;t find childcare because of your child's needs then you will lose all your income.

Wow.

What a giggle eh? hee fucking hee!

When my breakdown was at it's worst I was having tens of panic attacks every day and could not leave house alone, I claimed nothing because of dignity and it almost sent us under. When it comes to the boys and meeting their needs however dignity can feck right off- THEY matter!