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To think that in my experience and from threads on here,that on the whole men are more acepting step parents than women?

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ledkr · 09/12/2011 17:26

I thought it for a little while now. I was raised by a step father who was very kind and took his role seriously,I am remarried and dh didnt think twice about taking on dd and is very supportive of my grown up sons too.
On the other hand some of my closest friends have married men who have children with a previous partner and seem very bitchy about them and give their partners a hard time if they want to spend time or money on them.
My exh partner tried to lay down the law about when he could and couldnt see our children but fortunatley he told her to bog off.
A friend of dh has just had her dd's father tell her he doesnt want to see her anymore as its causing trouble in his "new family" his wife doesnt like him seeing his dd apparently.
Am i just unfortunate to have had these experiences? Im sure there are many great step mums out there,maybe we dont hear about it enough.Speak up ladies,change my mind.

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Moominsarescary · 09/12/2011 17:33

I've had the same experiance with my children's father, two girlfriends he's had have wanted exp to have less access, not pay maintenance and been down right bloody horrible to the kids

I'm sure not all women are the same though

theincredibequeenofwands · 09/12/2011 17:33

I think you're right!

wantstosleepnow · 09/12/2011 17:36

I also think your right, not sure why though, maybe it's down to women being more emotional than men in general.

TheFestiveWife · 09/12/2011 17:39

Well I think you're wrong!

DSD was 2 when I met DH (at the grand old age of 16)! Her mother is awful absolutely awful, abusive mentally and physically. DSD used to ring me when she was smaller to come and get her because her mum was being so horrible to her. I ALWAYS went and collected her, even if meant missing work or not being able to go out with friends. DSD is 19 now, she officially moved in with us when she was 9 (that was when we got all her stuff and brought it to our house, and DH was granted the residence order), but has pretty much lived with us since she was 4 (and that was in a 1 bedroom flat)! On mother's day I'm the one she gets a card for not her mother.

I think you making a massive assumption there, and a wrong one at that!

deemented · 09/12/2011 17:41

I think it's incredibly hard being a stepmother. Especially here on MN at times.

There seems to be an unwritten assumption that all stepmothers are 'the other woman' and alot of women do feel threatend by another woman parenting their child.

I am a stepmother. I was with manshape for two years before his ex would allow their son to have anythign to do with me. She would refer to me as 'the slut' and to my children as 'the bastards'. She would dangle DSS on a thread in front of manshape and if he didn't do as she wanted she would stop contact. Often this would mean that any plans we had made would have to be either scrapped or put on hold because she snapped her fingers an demanded manshape do something for/with DSS.

Now don't get me wrong, i have no issue at all with DSS, he's a nice enough kid and we seem to get on ok. What i do have issues with is his ex using their son as a pawn in her little mind games. As it is, it came to a head and we - myself included - have ha regular contact with DSS since May this year.

I would never ever dream of telling manshape he couldn't see his son, or asking him to chose between us. It's the mark of the man he is that he stuck around for so long putting up with his ex's shite - many men would have walked away long ago. I'm proud of him that he didn't.

tigerlillyd02 · 09/12/2011 17:42

I've seen this quite a lot amongst families to be honest. When a family splits, the mother can find someone else and the arrangement often works quite well. However, when dad finds someone else there seems to be problems caused from his new partner.

I wonder if it's because if mum keeps the children, a potential stepdad moves in knowing what he's moving in to and aware the children aren't going anywhere?

In the event of dad / potential stepmum - because they're not living there perhaps the new partner sees them as more of a threat taking her fella away from the home. I do think a woman moving into a home where father has kept the children would be different...

Hope that makes sense. It's not right obviously but unfortunately seems to be the way it works in a lot of cases.

exoticfruits · 09/12/2011 17:48

I don't think that it makes any difference-it is down to whether the step parent realises they get the DH or DW as a package and, even if they don't live with them, they are part of the family and equal to any other DC in the family. When I met my DH it was 'love me, love my DS' -it wasn't optional!! My DS wasn't going to live in a home where he was just tolerated.

diddl · 09/12/2011 18:02

I think for men the step child is the child of the woman they love.

For women, it´s the child of the man they love but also another woman´s child.

rabbitfeet · 09/12/2011 18:04

Massive sweeping generalisation!

If you want to go down this road, how about thinking that it's harder for SMs than SDs because the ex-wives are much nastier, more vindictive and more willing to use their children to get back at their exes than the ex-husbands!

I bet you disagree with this but it's the same as what you said... You say SMs are spiteful and try to keep their Hs away from their children, so what's different in saying it's the ex-wives who are spiteful?

LydiaWickham · 09/12/2011 18:11

I think it's more to do with the fact that the father is less likely to be the resident parent, so the step-mother role is a part time role (and possibly not be around at all when the DCs are with their father for access) whereas step-fathers are more likely to move into the family home and be with the DCs for the majority of the time.

If you see your SDCs either 7 days a week or a minimum of 5 days if the NRP has access on the weekend, then you will be more involved than if you see them for 2 days out of 14 and don't have to do school run/homework etc.

Step mothers normally date a man who doesn't have DCs around for the majority of the time and become involved with the DCs lives after being involved with the father for a long time, step fathers normally have seen the DCs and their new partner as a 'package' from day one.

slavetofilofax · 09/12/2011 18:17

I think that's probably the difference exotic, men know from the start that the children will be part of their home lives. And often, they know that every other weekend the dc will be away so they get quality couple time.

Wheras women meet a man who only sees his dc every other weekend, and that doesn't seem like much at first. But then as that woman falls in love and starts wanting to build her home and life around a man with dc, those dc have to be accommodated into their lives when they are used to the majority of their lives being child free. Having a life that is child free most of the time isn't the same as having a life that has to be arranged around children all the time.

And it's harder for step mums because they are expected to be more maternal and to like children just because they are women. Step dads can often just be someone that is around at the weekend and has a laugh with the dc.

WhoopsyLa · 09/12/2011 18:18

I think you're right in general, with exceptions of course. I think it's because MOST women do the bulk of the childcare and "kid stuff" (not fair but true) so a woman is unwilling to Mother someone elses children. Could even be biological.

TheFestiveWife · 09/12/2011 18:30

"so a woman is unwilling to Mother someone elses children. Could even be biological."

But that's not true. I treat my DSD as my own, always have done. I made sure when my dds came along that I went out of my way to make sure she didn't feel left out. Her birthday is 4 days after dd2's. So when I knew I was due to give birth any day around her birthday I made sure I had all her presents in beforehand, DH had strict instructions to buy her birthday cake.

Also by that logic women who adopt would be unwilling to mother someone else's children. Xmas Hmm

WhoopsyLa · 09/12/2011 18:38

As I said FestiveWife "With exceptions of course"

And women who adopt are doing it because they long for a child...not because they met a man who had children from a previous relationship.

I am not suggesting ALL step Mothers are wicked...I am just pondering on why SOME are not very willling to parent.

TheFestiveWife · 09/12/2011 18:47

WhoopsyLa you're right you did, sorry about that. The OP pissed me off so much a red mist appeared.

TheFestiveWife · 09/12/2011 18:48

descended even Blush

NatashaBee · 09/12/2011 18:53

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ThatllDoPig · 09/12/2011 19:02

what lydia said.
My dh is a fantastic step parent, and copes with ex contact and everything in a very mature, loving fantastic way. I have always expected this and wouldn't be with him if he couldn't cope, as dd was there first!
BUT its really interesting. sometimes I really don't think I could do it if the situation was reversed!

exoticfruits · 09/12/2011 19:08

Even if the step doesn't have them all the time, they should enter the marriage under the assumption that they might get them full time at any moment, and that would be the ideal situation.

esperance · 09/12/2011 19:09

I know of eight research studies that have shown that stepmothers are generally considered less successful than stepfathers in developing positive relationships with their stepchildren. The most difficult relationships are between stepmother/stepdaughter ie, they are characterized by less affection, less respect, less acceptance and higher levels of conflict and stress than other stepparent-child relationships. One study reported that only about 20% of adult stepchildren felt close to their stepmothers, compared to about 50% for stepfathers. In that study, two-thirds did not even consider the stepmother as a parent at all.

Several studies have addressed the stepmother's role from an economic perspective. While the presence of a stepfather helps to raise the family's standard of living, the presence of a stepmother has a negative impact on the resources devoted to the stepchild. Three recent studies by the same research group concluded: "for complex reasons stepmothers invest fewer resources in children than biological mothers do" Children raised in families with stepmothers are likely to have less health care, less education and less money spent on their food than children raised by biological mothers. (Bear in mind that the economic status of remarried families was no different overall from that of intact families).

We often think that the greater number of benevolent adults present in a child's life, the better for the child. However, research strongly suggest that this belief does not apply to stepmothers' involvement; that often they are better off without a stepmother.

Of course, the data refer to group differences. Of course, there are some excellent stepmothers. Of course, some stepmothers and stepdaughters get on tremendously well.

But generally the OP's observation reflects the research data.

(BTW, I am a stepmother.)

ledkr · 09/12/2011 19:15

I dont see why its a "sweeping generilisation" I said several things to avoid doing so which is why it says this in my op
Am i just unfortunate to have had these experiences? Im sure there are many great step mums out there,maybe we dont hear about it enough.Speak up ladies,change my mind.

In no way was i making a sweeping generalisation,i was merely asking a question about something I had noticed in life and in fact was hoping i was wrong.

What apity you cant do this any more on mumsnet without a few people getting all defensive.

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NatashaBee · 09/12/2011 19:19

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ledkr · 09/12/2011 19:20

And just to address the balance i have actually looked after exdh's new baby and will do again when she goes into hospital to have the next one as she has no family to help and her children are my childrens siblings,not the same i know but i resent the allegation im living in some sort of utopia and have no knowledge of the difficulties faced by step parents both male and female.

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WreckOfTheBeautiful · 09/12/2011 19:20

A bit of anecdata - my stepfather moved in, did the whole 'alpha male pissing up a lamppost' thing, decided 'his house, his rules' and made my and my siblings' lives fairly miserable by being totally domineering, controlling and jealous of the relationships we have with our mother. He nearly destroyed the relationship between my mum and one of my siblings. I don't know if it makes a difference that we were all mid-late teens when he moved in. Probably not - once an arsehole, always an arsehole.

deemented · 09/12/2011 19:20

I also think the 'you are supposed to love them as your own' is a hugely flawed statement.

I can't honestly say i love DSS as i love my own children. I have only known him for seven months. And i only see him every other weekend from Friday night to Sunday. I think, that with time love may grow - don't get me wrong, i like him well enough, but it's a situation that both he and i have been forced into - we have to get on because we have manshape in common. It's sometimes akin to having a stranger in your home - a stranger thats actually not that interested in you, only starts conversations with 'Dad..' and has been parented completely different to how i would chose to bring him up. I do want to love him as my own, and i treat him as if he were one of mine.

Really, you can't expect to thrust two strangers together and expect them to suddenly have a fantastic relationship - it just doesn't work like that. They need to get to know one another and form a relationship.

A PP said that when you take on a stepchild, you also take on their other parent - usually their mother - and that is bloody hard, especially when they try to do all they can to fuck things up.

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