To wonder how the hell this country got so racist and narrowminded?

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There is a photo of a letter going round on FB. Basically showing that Aslyum Seekers are getting their gas and electric paid for over Christmas. My god. The comments people are coming out with.

to quote a few:

"What about ones that come over here and get new cars mobile phones etc and we get fuck all. They wouldn't do the same for us if we was that poor and froze we would have our kids taken off us we wouldn't get help to heat our houses up."

"Yeah but a lot of the asylum seekers r terriosts half of them are working for wants his name"

"every tom dick or Harry are allowed into our country to first take all our jobs for half the pay us English need to be paid to pay for our gas electric and every other bill we get thrown at us, secondly to take our placements from our first choice schools cause they got homed near a school of our choice, homed for free!"

"there are english children in this country that dont even have a warm winter coat to wear coz their parents or parent cant a ford to buy one coz most of their benifits go on tryin to heat damp houses and feed them with at least one hot meal a day even if it is only beans on toast.....ive yet to see an under feed immagrint whether asylum seeeker or not and as for designer clothes that under privalaged english child only dream of owning but u see them on the backs of people that dont deserve them (imagrants asylum seekers)"

"im sick to death of working my tits off 6days aweek when im off sick or unable to work and ask for help all i got was £26 a week what a load of bullshit im english born and bred worked from the age off 17 and pay tax all my live and people walk in to this country and get free this free that f##king crap an 90% of bristish people think this to blood sucks, think of the people that fought for this country all them years ago BORN AND BRED"

Seriously?? How the fucking hell did we get to the point where this is what people think? Honestly?? I dont even know what to say to the last two - I tried arguing constructively earlier in the day, but cant even be bothered to waste my breath on the last two. They called me a "goody two shoes" and seem determined to blame everything on "immigrants".

I'm actually ashamed to live in the same town as some of these people.

AIBU to wonder where this country goes from here when this is what crap they spout? Is it the media's fault? or education?

(the worst bit? at least 1 of these people quoted are a 3rd generation European "immigrant" but thats different of course )

You think "Feck" is swearing?
Do feel free to grow up and become an adult creighton.
You just had a dig at poor people in Britain who happen to be British.
Shame on you.

when did I have a go at poor people? is it right that people are allowed to live on social security for years when there is nothing wrong with them? don't try to paint the 'poor' as one huge group, a lot of people in this country don't want to work, that is why it is easy for immigrants to come here and work. some of your 'poor' are allowed to opt to stay at home and send their bills to others who are working. is that okay?

oh and dancing mustard, i am one of the tax payers who has been supporting this country for the last 25 years since leaving university. shame on you for being ignorant like your hero MrSpoc. do grow up!

You've paid tax?
Shock horror but so have many many millions of hard working people.
But they aren't complaining about people living in run down poverty stricken areas.
It's absolute swinging things bollox that we need immigration to fill in for the jobs British people just don't want to do, it's not the 50's you know.
The sweatshops and the companies paying under MW are stifling the economy because they are using immigrant labour.
Name one job a British person wont do that an immigrant would do?

Fruit and vegetable picking in Lincolnshire. The farmers have to get workers from Eastern Europe to work for £7/hour doing work that locals do not want to do. Every year.

This country may not need the immigration as it did in the 1950s but it uses it when British people don't want to exert themselves.

I read a thread on another website earlier today (Netmums). A poster insisted that it was better that she stay at home with her daughter (14 years old) than do a job that was beneath her skills as she had been to university. Rather than fill her CV with work experience she preferred to sit at home and she gets the benefits to do it.

Are you saying that there are no British people picking fruit and veg creighton?

You seem very anti working class.

Just an observation.

Working in care homes

cleaning offices in London in the early mornings

You mean these jobs that British people wont do?

Would you do this job?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fruit-pickers-the-money-we-earn-is-not-worth-getting-out-of-bed-for-1740216.html

3 members of my family work in care homes.

Cleaners can afford to live in London?

You really are anti working class.

We are not talking about the working classes, we are talking about the non working classes.

I am working class, you know council estate upbringing, comprehensive school

You are talking as if you hate the working class and you probably know it.

In fact you come across as very Dickensian in your attitude to the minimum wage slaves.

Would you pick fruit when wages were not guaranteed and your family couldn't eat?

It's in the link ^^up there.

Remember the racist tram ranty-woman earlier in the week ... the black woman who tried to front her out .... the wonderful line "I work, I do the dirty jobs you wont do".

No money is dirty money if it's honestly earned. I have (and Im sure many of us have) done our time barmaiding, cleaning bogs etc because we needed to. All those crap jobs because actually, we have a work ethic

But there is a bit of a culture in some that some jobs are some how beneath doing and immigrants should do them because they are demeaning or dirty.

Troisgarcons

I believe you could be right in respect of a few certain jobs.

But the conditions for the lowest rung of the ladder has changed significantly over the last few years and they didn't have any belt to take in.

Many of these traditionally low paid jobs are in fact taken by migrants who get paid significantly less than the minimum wage in some circumstances.

I know that warehousing and in particular Tesco actually employed an agency called driving edge to seek out Polish workers to displace British workers.

I used to work in a bupa care home , they employed people from all different country's, paid for their flights and first months accommodation ( although a few ended up staying in rooms at the home) I don't know why as we didn't have any problems employing staff who were allready in this country.

All I can think is it was because they were on a contract for a year which they couldn't get out of unless they wanted to go home, this cut staff turn over down as most people from this country left after a few months due to the crappy working conditions. After the contracts were over none of them stayed with bupa, most stayed in this country though and got better jobs

I think it was a pretty shitty thing for bupa to do, many had never worked in a care home before and hated it but were stuck for the year unless they wanted to go home, which for some wasn't realy an option

We also had nurses from other country's who bupa promised to put through there adaptation so they could work as nurses here, they never did though so we had trained nurses having to work as hca's

Another reason for services being overstretched is people in this country, born in this country using the welfare system as a lifestyle choice rather than going out to work and contributing to the wellbeing of the country? The majority of people using services are British people, some of whom have been living longterm on benefits before the economic crisis occurred.

Coudn't agree more, but I think sorting that out is complicated (featherbedded?) by the huge immigration numbers at the same time over the last 10 years.

Those are good examples Moomin and I will wager there are many more where employers have used migrant workers to undercut the rights of British workers to save pennies.

Nobody should hold this against the migrant workers but the companies need to be brought to book.

I don't think it was a money issue, more of a way to ensure staff stayed for longer ( which made the home look better in the eyes of local health authorities) but they were certainly employed under false pretences which is pretty cuntish of such a big company IMO

I talk to teenagers day in, day out. Hopes, expectitions, and some rather ooooh political views.

I was told by a 17yo (who has aspirations of being a solicitor) that he would never demean himself to clean becaue it's "disgusting" (one can onlly hope his mother has an army of domestics to hand to stop his sensibilities being offended!!)

I'm going to be wildly provocative here - i dont think it helps matters that the borough uses a well known, country wide cleaning service that does employ, (at the bottom end) exclusively West Africans immigrants with little command of English.

I can also regale a story about the same company, on contract, when I worked in The City. The police arrived - and the street was full of West Africans running down the road pulling their boiler suits off that was 20 years ago and im sure legislation has tightened up since then.

However, if our own youngsters perceive bottom-rung jobs as being demeaning and just the province of immigrants and somehow 'unworthy' then they are never going to learn the value of ethics, money, earning, and self respect.

I've said it before and I'll say it again ... the only thing I was brought up to judge people on is work ethic. I dont care if you are black, white, inbetween or sky-blue-pink .... my judgement is reserved for laziness. That is why I always stop and say hello/thank you/how are you to all our cleaners - they may or may not understand me, but I'm always pleasent to them. Quite a lot of staff, and pupils, are utterly dismissive and that pisses me right off.

As far as I'm aware immigration is falling and has been for the last few years.
Also immigrants pay more in taxes than they claim in benefits.

And the Government brought in a cap in

troisgarcons I know exactly what you mean. No one wants to go thru rigorous catering training-they just want to be Jamie Oliver.

My ex is a 2* chef but nobody wants to put in the hours. We recruited the whole family to pot wash. Most fun we had in ages even tho' we didn't get to bed til 3am.

I wouldnt clean anything for a living, because I'm crap at it.

I wont clean anything because apparently i'm too racist and narrowminded :)

Fingers Daily Mail looking for quotes to hit thread with .