to not worry about teachers aged 60+ in the classroom

[NotaTeacherBasher]

No teacher bashing, please.

A recurrent theme in the discussions about the changes to teachers' pensions is that teachers will not be able to retire at 55 any more. They will need to work until they are 65+ if they want their full pension.

Just like everyone else.

So what's the problem with that provided they are fit to work? Obviously some won't be able to and will, presumably, be able to retire on ill health grounds if they're not.

But if teachers care about the children they are teaching, then surely they will not take their resentment at having to work longer out on the kids?

NotaTeacherBasher
What job would you suggest? There aren't that many out there...

" but other people are going to have no choice to look for employment then"

But it seems some of them are going to have a pension when they do so. I'm not sure bringing your DH into this was the best idea.

It's not about not taking out resentment it's about not being able to do the job as well as you used to. There's no way I'm leaving midwifery for a lesser paid, boring job unless I'm kicked out.

"then surely they will not take their resentment at having to work longer out on the kids?"

Teaching requires mind, body and soul. If your body is playing up, then with the best will in the world, you're not going to be as effective.

'But if teachers care about the children they are teaching, then surely they will not take their resentment at having to work longer out on the kids?'

Dream on, how many parents here snap and yell at their children, are over-controlling and fed up with their teens and want to scream at the 999th 'But whyyyyyy?'
If you are pissed off and stressed and trapped then those around you reap the consequences. If you are a chamber maid or a waiter, it might just be gobbing in your tea or muttering under the breath.

Not enough to be sackable, or a discipline issue. Just being taught by a grumpy negative individual who feels that you are being intentionally dim and punishes every transgression against the rules severely.
Forget Trunchbull, think Snape.

I had that life as a forces brat, and now I'm an old teacher. Stuffed at both ends of my existence!

What NannyOgg Said ^" work in a 'nice' primary in a 'nice' village. I've been there for over 20 years.
I'm in my late 50s and I'm knackered and I've had enough.
The thought of being there till I'm 65 fills me with horror and whether I can afford it or not I shall go long before then"^
I agree entirely and could have written that post myself.Except I'm in my mid 40's and am not a teacher.... The demands of the job are no different. Teachers are not a special case!!!

There's no way I'm leaving midwifery for a lesser paid, boring job unless I'm kicked out.

Forgive me if i have this wrong but if you're incabable of doing the job are still going to stay?

Bit worrying that one.

I am a bloody good secondary teacher in a difficult school. I have done other jobs but been just about average at them. Given that I signed up believing I could retire on reduced pension in about twenty years time, I feel like that should be honoured.

But, what the hell- I'll get a job in Tesco to pass the time and fill in the gaps in my earnings. Or maybe be a politician.

Downbttherivereside
Me too - "No, I think I'll keep going. I'll just get steadily more crap at the job, but not crap enough to be sacked. They can't sack you for not doing all the extras."
But I amnot a teacher - Teachers are not a special case!

It is tough for us all out there.

No, not a special case, Just one where parents will complain if their children are taught the old-fashioned way.
Work to rule. No smiling or chats or extras. Just plan, teach, mark.

All I can say is welcome to the real world. There is NO such job anymore that's for life. My sister's a teacher, she sodding moans all the time, gets umpteen weeks holiday. I love her but for god sake, get a grip. I'm stressed, I'm stressed but at least I've got another couple of weeks holiday soon. Yes you flipping have

I might go for two years on the sick before I retire. And maybe a year off soon, cause I'm fed up. Maternity leave wasn't really a rest - bloody kids.

I don't think there will be that many 60+ teachers out there. "Dynamic" headteachers will force a lot of them out through capability procedures when they decide their faces don't fit any more.

There are loads of teachers in their 60's at my boys school and they are all excellent at their job.

The head teacher is retiring next year just shy of her 66th birthday.

You lot think in a very damn divine way dont you? I have to leave the thread as you're pissing me off. To think that you do a "vocational job" it really isnt is it? What a load of mollycoddled arses.

Look at all the threads complaining about schools in active convos and see how many could be answered with 'Suck it up or piss off to another school'
I mean' We wish to apologise for any inconvenience' and then do nothing.
So if there are enough people forced to stay in a job long after they had been told they could retire, and where there are few jobs for the over-60s, you will find that the response to the demand that Fifi's birthday invites weren't handed out, or that Horatio's coat has gone missing will be met with 'Whatever' Same with all the PTA events and the 'we want...'
Why? What will it matter to me?

What an unprofessional attitude!

Most people have 3 career changes in their lives ...... the career expectancy of an NQT today is 8 years. Few, qualifying today will still be teaching 2057. I dont think we need to worry about it really.

Although what is mind boggling - our current 16yo's wont retire until 2072