To find Jimmy Carr's latest 'joke' really disgusting and pathetic

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Jimmy Carr has done it again. Nor content with making deeply disrespectful and horrid jokes about soldiers, he has now made a joke about children with Down's Syndrome and the Sunshine Variety coaches that do so much to help these kids and others too.

I used to like him but he goes too far. I really think that some things should not be joked about. Why do some people feel the need to tell
Jokes like that?

Yet, I am also aware of the fact that we can't censor jokes, but I wish some comedians actually set out to make us laugh with properly funny jokes rather than the nasty shit that Jimmy has been peddling again.

he is an actor, he chose to take that job.
the children and adults with disabilities that JC mocks and bullies have no choice.
and yes he is a bully, he pick on vulnerable people.

I believe I am actually very unstuffy due to my son's disability. I find the socially unacceptable stuff he does really quite funny and these days I can even laugh at other peopl'e reactions.

I don't find people laughing AT him just for being disabled particularly hilarious though. People laughing with him, fine.

I'm surprised people can't see the difference really.

Unfortunately he can't tell idiots like this to shut the fuck up. That's why the joke isn't hugely funny . Bit like the teenagers who laugh AT special school buses. Or the yobs at the end of the road who ran and hammered on their window to point and yell and laugh at ds1 becuase he was flapping happily in the street. It's that sort of 'joke'. Ie bullying rather than funny.

The funny people say things like 'is he casing my car' when ds1 has stuck his head in through their open window to fiddle with the sun visors. That's funny. Pointing at the funny looking people? Nah not funny.

JamieComeHome - he also said, he saw no reason not to do things like be a Santa's elf...he sees it as using what he has. (I can't remember what I was listening to though, it was on radio 4, just a wee chat show type thing with other people on it too.)

So in a way I suppose it's like being a model because you happen to have the right look or becoming a singer because you've been born with a good voice?

I think it's very different to jokes about children

I actually answered on just your 18.31 post, I didn't see you'd written the one above as well.

I know the Big Book was a joke (as Kal thoughtfully pointed out) but some posters do have a go at posters when they've had a barney with them on another thread.

That doessn't mean I thought you're that type of weirdo poster, but it's the threat about doing it (even if it's a 'joke') to stop people feeling able to say what they think, I was talking about.

I bet there is someone on here who keeps track of who's who, my bet's on it being one of them MNHQ trolls

Sorry, that was to pag.

I am trying to see what you mean but tbh I am not sure that someone I don't know saying on a thread that they will remember me because I am a massive twat in their opinion, or even will write my name in their big book of tossers, would make me feel inhibited about expressing my opinion.

Would that really inhibit anyone who wasn't also terrified of small mammals and maybe asparagus?

And anyone who brings other subjects on to threads tends to get shouted at don't they?

I couldn't be sure as I have never done it

YANBU

I wonder what makes people like Jimmy Carr and Ricky Gervais tell the jokes they do. I don't wake up in the morning and fight the urge to ridicule disabled people, for example. I kind of imagine that they do, and that framing it as lucrative edgy humour is a sign that they're objectionable c**ts who got lucky, rather than shining examples of their craft.

I don't think you need to be a small mammel or asparagus to feel inhibited from posting a view pag.

I don't want to start a forest fire by mentioning it, but maybe on other boards on MN (like the feminists section, or recently TDH) some posters don't feel able to go on and discuss what they think.

You can't judge everyone to have the same level of confidence at posting as you do.

I agree about them getting shouted down if they drag a barney over from another thread, even the often vilified DP had that.

Much comedy is about taking the piss out of someone, but when the offence caused stops it being funny I turn off. It's a crap joke and offensive too. I've never found him funny, I hated his jokes about gypsies as well, and hasn't he made a couple of unpleasant abuse jokes as well?
I did like Ricky Gervais at one point, The Office is brilliant and so was most of Extras. Think he is crap now, but started thinking that about his homophobia in Fame.
My sister has DS and loved his joke in Extras when he complained about a kid who turned out to have Downs - she totally understood that was about Andy's prejudices and sense of self-importance. She is really pissed off about this 'mong' comment. Especially as it was an insult so often thrown at her by people at school.
I was going to say that anyone is fair game in comedy, except those that can't fight back, but actually my sis is able to fight back. She just shouldn't have to.

I know there are concerns about specific areas of the board. I have read some of the more contravertial threads.

But, without wishing to be a dog with a bone, it is a substantial leap to say that my making what was an obvious joke about personally having a big book of wankers is going to inhibit posters in the same way that a whole swathe of regulars arguing vociferously from one particular viewpoint will.

I have no reputation for holding grudges (because I don't) and it was a joke which I am not the first to have made. Probably won't be the last.

Suggesting that I alone threatening to write someones name in a book is bad and intimidatory really does seem odd to me. I remain fairly baffled

Is this clip from Billy Connolly offensive? He cracks a joke joke about dwarves, but I don't remember any hew and cry at the time.

YANBU that type of remark is way out of order about Downs Syndrome Persons.

'' would to me read differently to 'you're name's in my big book of wankers', maybe it's the way you've worded it? Dunno.

I'm not saying you're soley responsible for all the kerfuffle on the other boards in MN

But the fact remains that some people will get shitty and post 'after reading this 'insert high level emotive subject' thread, I beginning to see who the wanker posters are, and mention it next time they come across the poster.

Unless it's part of banter with another poster, it just seemed to be a reminder to not say anything that goes too far against the current of the thread or it'll be noticed and remembered.

This is beginning to feel like I'm having far more of a go at you than I actually am

It's alright. It's interesting trying to unpick where you are coming from.

I am still not sure I get it and I suspect I will keep my big book of wankers joke because Jimmy Carr and Frankie Boyle need a home. I wasn't actually referring to anyone on the thread so it is difficult to get into a discussion about something I didn't actually do.

Tbh I am pretty sure I tend to operate from a fairly reasonable position. I don't wander around the boards harassing or intimidating people. So I think I will probably proceed pretty much as I am. I am sure mnhq will let me know if I am becoming terrifying.

I agree, you explaining you were talking about JC and FB being wankers kind of defuncts what I'm saying, yes

I've only had one incredibly small alcoholic drink as well...

And from your last paragraph I would like to say I wasn't going round about the houses to say you're a poster who dominates a board putting the frighteners on posters.

Just start the blasted book and put me as the first entry

My DS2 gets one of those buses to school.

So thanks for laughing at my little boy.

Perhaps you [who find it funny] would like to offer up a picture or video of one of your children up so I can point and laugh at them?

That would hilarious wouldnt it? To have you child mocked. Wouldnt it?

Close your eyes for a second and imagine your little boy or girl being laughed at by adults.

How do you feel now?

Interesting article by Stewart Lee on this subject recently.

I was at a Variety Club do today and was a bit when the compere (a Variety club man) said that he wanted the performers to be an inspiration because the all "had something wrong with them, just like you".

OhDoAdmitMrsDeVere people can't do what you say, sadly. They can't imagine its their own child.
They can't imagine they could ever have a child with Downs Syndrome or could ever have problems with their 'perfect' children that could cause a disability.
My mums friend had a healthy baby who had brain damage after meningitus so I know it could happen to anyone.
Not only do people have no sympathy but they feel the need to take the piss. Absolute tw*ts.

If I am totally honest I dislike the big slogans on the sides of the buses. I think they are uneccessary.

The organisation does good work but I dont think they need to advertise themselves all over the buses.

Our local hospice stopped using one for the siblings group because they got sick of being stared at. Those kids have enough to deal with.

Applauds Mrs DeVere.
Very nicely put.

ateawhole see that is the big problem. If they cant see that it would be horrible to have their children laughed at, that means they cannot make the connection between our children and theirs.

This is dangerous. If my child is 'other' then he is vulnerable. 'others' are not the same as us and therefore not as important and do not have the same feelings or rights.

AND THAT IS WHY hate crime rises when this sort of 'humour' is allowed to go unchallenged.

If people cannot see that they are really not as clever as they think they are.