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after seeing the newsreaders dancing on CIN, am wondering if you need to be a size 10 to read the news

238 replies

ssd · 19/11/2011 08:58

they all looked great, but jesus talk about skinny Envy

dont they eat?

and they all have a bunch of kids too

jesus

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Serenitysutton · 19/11/2011 18:21

But flicks whilst that's all true that's not related to newsreaders being thin? It's going somewhat off topic (although I accept I have also mentioned how family unfriendly it is)

SardineQueen · 19/11/2011 18:21

The BBC are ageist when it comes to women, yes, there was a lot of trouble about it recently.

Serenitysutton · 19/11/2011 18:23

That woman is seriously Ill and that picture is disgusting.

Bunbaker · 19/11/2011 18:26

Yes it is, but there is no way I would describe any of the dancers as skinny, slim yes, but definitely not skinny.

iooi · 19/11/2011 18:27

That is photoshopped from this

myfriendflicka · 19/11/2011 18:28

It isn't just about who reads the news, for God's sake, there is a whole industry behind it. The newsreaders do need to be familiar with the stories they are reading and understand them, and they are part of the whole newsroom team.

There are also reporters doing pieces to camera, and they are journalists who will have written the scripts.

You do get young newsreaders, especially in regional TV. Younger people tend to be behind the scenes in TV. As they build up experience they can move up, but it tends to be very competitive and cut throat, and as I said before, not easy to combine with parenthood.

And sexist and ageist if you are a woman.

You don't see disabled journalists on TV either, and they exist as well.

RonnieBirtles · 19/11/2011 18:33

Although very pretty, Sian is very thin. I would bet my bottom dollar that she isnt scoffing croissants in the BBC canteen after the show Grin

myfriendflicka · 19/11/2011 18:34

The thin women newsreaders don't exist in isolation though do they?

Why do you have to concentrate on the weight issue as if it isn't linked to anything else?

Of course there is no pressure on women to conform to looking 35 and size 8 for ever, is there?!

myfriendflicka · 19/11/2011 18:41

Goes off to feminist thread, via friend's house for a long drink bucket of savingnon blanc

seeker · 19/11/2011 18:48

Actually,nI don't think I want to be on the same thread as that photo shopped picture. It leaves a very sour taste in my mouth.

northernwreck · 19/11/2011 18:48

Of course TV is extraordinarily sexist, and of course there is more pressure on the women to look young and slim, than the men.
I would say from personal experience, when I worked in TV (not on TV though!) that the camera adds somewhere around ten to fifteen pounds.
I still say Sian need a sandwich, and if there was a man who was that insanely skinny I would say it about him.
Yes, people are getting too fat these days, but she doesn't look healthy to me.I do watch BBC news in the morning, and I like her, so it's not a bitchy comment, it just makes me feel a bit anxious watching her.

NICEyNice · 19/11/2011 19:02

I'm a size 4.

Does this mean I should wear a bag on my head and eat pies as other women don't like it?

I also have a healthy BMI. Shock horror. As I imagine ALL the women newsreaders you are ranting and raving about do.

FFS.

I get sick of women who are utter BITCHES over weight. Your weight is your problem NOT mine so don't project it on to other women as you have a chip on your shoulder about it.

There is sizism in both direction and it pisses me off when women dress it up as feminism. Its not.

You are all focusing on the wrong thing here.

Television is a visual medium. Of course appearance is important. Why should it not be? This is an important aspect to news reading that frankly, television companies should take into consideration to some level. For both, men and women. Professionalism is massively important, but given the sheer competition for places in the media if you have two equally good candidates, which is going to get the job? And to be blunt, quite rightly.

If you want to communicate a story, its PROVEN SCIENTIFICALLY, it comes across better if you are more attractive to an audience. Even down to the fact that the 'more attractive', younger, better looking candidate on TV for every US presidential election has won since Kennedy. ALL MALE I might note. So its not just about women. How people look has a HUGE impact on trust & how seriously we take what they are saying.

(I might note here that it also stands to reason by this token that older men and women who have been on tv for years and built up a trust with the audience shouldn't be dismissed as they have a quality that defies anything that the aging process might bring.)

Its worth pointing out that you don't get many male newsreaders with beards. Indeed the BBC had an official policy on it for many years (now long since rescinded). Even now, it tends to be the case that male newsreaders only have them on the grounds of religion. Again this is about trust and audience perceptions. Men with beards are scientifically proven to be perceived as less trustworthy or to be taken less seriously. (Have a think about male tv personalities with beards for a second...)

There also aren't many strong regional accents on national news... Again, all about communication.

Of course if you are on tv in a serious and professional role, you should be taking care of your appearance, and be a healthy size for your build. You are a role model. And this is ESPECIALLY true if you are a newsreader. (For the record can anyone think of a hugely overweight male newsreader?).

I believe it is slightly different for representations of real life on television. I definitely think we could do with a more accurate and fuller reflection of society. Actors and actresses whilst looked up to, do not have the aspects of professionalism within their jobs. Thats a whole different argument imho. And where the feminism is more of an issue.

I watch the news to see a professional looking person read it. Not pick apart what her dress size is. Thats AS damaging as any lack of representation of women who are bigger.

And I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but let me put it across in another point: When a woman OR a man, is reading a health story that involves obesity, then it IS important that you aren't being distracted by the fact that they are themselves carrying too many pounds as it affects the way the audience takes in the information and how seriously they take it as a health issue. We don't actually tend to get too many stories that cause a clash with standard sized bodies - we get a lot about problems with obesity.

SardineQueen · 19/11/2011 19:09

krishnan gurumurthy is no longer the slim whippersnapper he was

I still have a soft spot for him though Grin

Also on studies - there was one I read a few years back that if there is an attractive female presenter many men simply didn't take in anything she said as they were too busy looking at how pretty she was. Women took the info in whoever was presenting.

So if we're going to choose newsreaders on the basis of how well they get info across to their audience, then we need to take the women out altogether. Or just have ones that men don't generally find attractive.

I also find it odd that people are able to look at the young, slim women on TV and their older, less slim, less glamorous and less ornamental male counterparts and say there is nothing going on there.

SardineQueen · 19/11/2011 19:11

Why do people not want to notice this?

It has been big news in recent years about sexism and ageism (for women predominantly) in the BBC and it is well known throughout media that these are problems. Why do people not want to see what is right in front of their noses?

LineRunnerSaturnalia · 19/11/2011 19:11

I don't see how someone's appearance should impact on their ability to deliver a narrative or a message in a professional way.

SardineQueen · 19/11/2011 19:14

"If you want to communicate a story, its PROVEN SCIENTIFICALLY, it comes across better if you are more attractive to an audience. "

"Attractive" in that sense doesn't necessarily refer to looks at all. Personality, charisma, charm, likeability, confidence, these sort of things are all going to make a person a better story-teller. In that context I do not think that can be interpreted as simply "looks".

myfriendflicka · 19/11/2011 19:18

It doesn't LRS, unless you are a twat.

NICEyNice · 19/11/2011 19:24

I don't see how someone's appearance should impact on their ability to deliver a narrative or a message in a professional way.

You might want to look up 'politics' here.

SardineQueen - the OP pointed out they all had kids. And you pointed out there is a lack of older women. I'm willing to bet things have changed significantly, as even twenty years ago, those women wouldn't still be presenting after having kids... I see this as more of an explanation of why there are a lot more older men now - they have had long careers - they didn't instantly come onto our screens age 40+. Again in combination with the above point you made about male newsreaders being taken more seriously by men, and how many female newsreaders there were even twenty years ago (I'd ask how old that study is, and how perceptions of women in serious jobs have also changed in the last twenty years too).

I would be interested to see what happens to the women we have reading the news now, and see where we are in another twenty years. I think it has to take time to filter though. Its clear that women can now read the news, and have babies and not leave the industry... Something that I do not believe WAS trust...

NICEyNice · 19/11/2011 19:27

*true not trust

LineRunnerSaturnalia · 19/11/2011 19:29

Mo Mowlem was amazing.

SardineQueen · 19/11/2011 19:34

nicey that is a good point and I do hope so.

But then I think of moira and selina and think... hmmm....

seeker · 19/11/2011 19:34

"I'm a size 4.

Does this mean I should wear a bag on my head and eat pies as other women don't like it?"

no. But mean that you should get preferential treatment in the job Market, unless the job involves modelling size 4 jeans or hiding in very small places.

NICEyNice · 19/11/2011 19:35

Indeed she was.

However, she was a rarity.

I would point you more in the direction of the likes of Cameron and Blair and how they fair when put on television next to Brown.

It is unfortunate, but sadly people fall for it. Political parties go to great lengths about appearance, right now to the colour tie they wear. With good reason.

Presentation over substance I'm afraid.

seeker · 19/11/2011 19:35

"doesn't mean"

SardineQueen · 19/11/2011 19:41

Cameron isn't attractive Confused

Blair was extraordinarily charismatic. Not good looking though.

Media-standard good looks should not be confused with charisma. They are completely different things. Most politicians have charisma or other traits that make them appealing rather than looks (if they have anything!).

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