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after seeing the newsreaders dancing on CIN, am wondering if you need to be a size 10 to read the news

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ssd · 19/11/2011 08:58

they all looked great, but jesus talk about skinny Envy

dont they eat?

and they all have a bunch of kids too

jesus

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SardineQueen · 19/11/2011 21:42

bugger <a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=anderson+cooper&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1366&bih=643&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnslo&tbnid=UC3yHjs5yhFSGM:&imgrefurl=www.theschronicle.com/%3Fp%3D1498&docid=vxbnJ7H1HED0hM&imgurl=www.theschronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/anderson-cooper.jpg&w=400&h=317&ei=YiLITvvZAc358QO3stmNAQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=571&vpy=179&dur=80&hovh=200&hovw=252&tx=135&ty=130&sig=107566779655659111226&page=1&tbnh=127&tbnw=151&start=0&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0%20anderson%20cooper" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here

SardineQueen · 19/11/2011 21:44

Otch but if the men felt the same pressure as the women wouldn't they all have the physiques (or trying hard to get there) of a young arnie?

But they don't, do they.

NICEyNice · 19/11/2011 21:46

Lizzylou, thats part of my point.

What does THAT tell you? Is that sexism on the part of the employer? Which seemed to be the inference of the OP.

And yes, given the nature of their job, I DO believe male newsreaders should keep in decent shape and appearance as much as women. Many of them get sent on foreign assignment, sometimes to difficult areas of the world... Getting people to respond to you and give interviews mean first impressions can be crucial. Appearance therefore does have a significant role to play in the job.

Dozer in terms of the news print thing, I think theres a hell of a lot of things going on. I don't think its purely about sexism. I think its WAY more complicated, and in part down to the way men and women are brought up. Women tend not to be as competitive as men. I appreciate that I am generalising here, but given its just such a competitive industry to get into, it means that only the most competitive even have a chance from the world go. (There are 10,000 places on media courses at university in the UK - there are approx 10,000 jobs in the ENTIRE industry for an insite into just how tough).

You want to know why I didn't persue a career in media? I personally didn't feel able to be cut throat enough, and wasn't prepared to walk all over my rivals in order to get to the top. I didn't have that competitive streak and I didn't have that same single mindedness. I do think they are two things that women are actively discouraged from being - very often by their female counterparts, rather than by males. Boys on the other hand are more actively encouraged to be competitive from an early age. Women don't seem like other women who stand out or try and be successful. I don't know why, but it threatens them. It makes it a very difficult starting point to go from as a woman compared to a man before you even start getting into any suggestion of sexism in the industry.

The thing that put me off most though, was the number of girls on my media course who openly admitted the fact that they would actively use their sexuality to advance their career and would sleep with a boss to get a promotion (17 out of 19 of us) It REALLY shocked me. This was 1998. I just wasn't prepared to sell my soul in the end as I felt I had no chance against girls who were prepared to go to those lengths.

Whether that was the reality in the end, I have no idea about. I doubt it was, but it was the fact that I didn't have that level of drive.

I do wonder how many of them actually did get into the industry and whether 'using their sexuality' would have actually helped or hindered them in getting taken seriously and viewed as professionals. Whilst I have no doubts that sexism is rife within some quarters of the media, I don't think women throwing themselves at men in the way that those on my course actively advocated makes men respect them or more likely to employ them in the end. Its not professional behaviour. I think that in the end if they had actually gone through with it and showed that attitude some of them had would definitely had a counterproductive effect. The coming off as 'desperate' approach.

When you do look at who is successful in the printed press, you end up looking at the likes of Rebekah Brooks. And she's about the worst example I can think of as a role model. By all accounts she was a pretty poor actual journalist and it was everything to do with her smoozing abilities. And don't even get me started on Liz Jones. And I can't take a lot of the broadsheet female journalists much more seriously either. I don't think ANY of these women really do themselves many favours in how other women look at themselves and each other. Or indeed men are. I question whether they write 'for women' or as part of a wider 'sexist agenda'...

The female journalists I have the greatest respect for are the ones who don't make a fuss themselves over being a woman. I have a strange fascination for all war reporters, so naturally I have huge respect for Kate Aide back in the day and now her modern day equivalent of Alex Crawford. Unfortunately though, the only thing that gets written about them is about their gender - usually by women, rather than simply aplauding them for just being amazing journalists (and it often overshadows the excellent male journalists working with them). People write about Alex Crawford having kids (whilst her husband looks after them), but they don't talk about male journalists who also have kids and are also putting themselves in the line of fire.

Its funny, its WOMEN slating OTHER WOMEN for their appearance on this thread. And then WOMEN shouting about sexism. And yet, I can't help but feel that its WOMEN that are as much of the problem as any pig headed bigot of a man...

Which is preciously why I take SOOOO much exception to other women who try and put down any other for the fact that they are slim. I really think we are our own worst enemy now, at fighting inequalities.

Lizzylou · 19/11/2011 22:40

Rebekah Brooks and Liz Jones are on the David MItchell scale I'd have thought. Hardly Giselle.

Bunbaker · 19/11/2011 23:38

"Bunbaker - are you saying that you are your workmates bully overweight men?"

No of course not. We know and like a lot of overweight men as workmates or friends, we just don't fancy them. It is just a matter of personal taste. I don't fancy men with beards either. OH doesn't find overweight women attractive. Some men don't find very slim women attractive or only prefer blondes. I could go on.

seeker · 20/11/2011 07:04

"
Shall we go back to when all they all started their careers, and look at the sexism back in the day and why women didn't have parallel careers? No what you want is to plonk some woman who hasn't had all those years of experience ahead of them! Cos thats equality! Er, no unfortunately we still have several decades of inequality to die out. You can not erase the sexism of the past. It will take time for todays young women to work their way through the system and become older women and have roles and careers like them... as I said in one of my other posts, look at the women NOW and see how they are able to have kids "

In 1990 Ken Clark,then Secretary of State for Education, used exactly that argument to explain to me why there were no women shortlisted for the post of Permanent Secretary for the Department for Education. It is beyond depressing that the same argument is still being trotted out 22 years later!

otchayaniye · 20/11/2011 08:15

other thoughts in no particular order:

Male newsreaders I know obsess over their hair, teeth, weight, skin colour and younger whippersnappers taking over.

The activity can attract vain, insecure types. Not everyone in presenting is like this, but think about who is drawn to presenting.

I know at least three female newsreaders who are size 14 and over.

I have never ever met an unhealthily underweight newsreader. On the low end of the BMI range perhaps, but way below? No. We have skewed ideas of what healthy weights are.

How about turning it around? Since when did remaining a healthy size 8-12 (or 6-14) be about pressure to stay thin. Is everyone on the precipice of ballooning out if they don't constantly watch themselves? No

Just as an example, I have just had a baby. This pregnancy was different and I struggled to put on weight (whereas with my first I put on 4 stone) and gave birth pretty much not having put on weight. People ask me what regime I'm on but I'm doing everything as normal -- just eating nutritious food and bfeeding. No harsh regimes, no pressure (I'm on mat leave and my children don't care about my size). I'm simply not overeating.

otchayaniye · 20/11/2011 08:21

Niceynice - It's interesting what you say, and I agree sexism still pervades most industries -- but it's often really subtle and it's not how you'd expect. In terms of flexible working, it's an industry at the forefront. My husband is on part time to share care of our children until the youngest is 6 years old. Same with me.

I know one woman who has slept with the boss. But the vast majority haven't

And I agree about the war reporters. But then I don't think reporters in dangerous situations should be parents. But that's me. I think your family is the priority, not your cv.

But otherwise, as someone who works in the industry I simply don't recognise your take on it.

otchayaniye · 20/11/2011 08:23

Oh, and Rebekah Brooks was very, very good at her job, which was editing a tabloid in order to boost sales. You can't accuse her of not winning the Pulitzer because that's not what her job description was.

otchayaniye · 20/11/2011 08:23

ditto Liz Jones.

SardineQueen · 20/11/2011 08:34

nicey

"When you do look at who is successful in the printed press, you end up looking at the likes of Rebekah Brooks. And she's about the worst example I can think of as a role model. By all accounts she was a pretty poor actual journalist and it was everything to do with her smoozing abilities. And don't even get me started on Liz Jones. And I can't take a lot of the broadsheet female journalists much more seriously either."

"Its funny, its WOMEN slating OTHER WOMEN for their appearance on this thread. And then WOMEN shouting about sexism. And yet, I can't help but feel that its WOMEN that are as much of the problem as any pig headed bigot of a man... "

So basically you spend your post slating all the female journalists you can think of, and then say it's appalling that women put down other women. That doesn't make any sense at all.

FWIW the people saying "sexist" on the thread (mostly - maybe entirely I can't be arsed to go back and read) are NOT the people who have made personal comments about the appearance of individual female newsreaders.

NewsClippings · 20/11/2011 16:48

YANBU

LineRunnerSaturnalia · 20/11/2011 17:23

FWIW the people saying "sexist" on the thread (mostly - maybe entirely I can't be arsed to go back and read) are NOT the people who have made personal comments about the appearance of individual female newsreaders.

I was thinking that.

Thank you for saying it, SardineQueen.

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