To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

The thing is HappyMummy, those of us that save the country millions p.a. by caring for those with illnessess or disabilities, or both, should not be put in a position whereby we have to justify anything.

Thank you Sevenfold

I think it's just people looking at it from different ends of the spectrum.

Whether you look at yourself and your circumstances and decide what you need personally OR you take the wider view and look at the economy as a whole and see what it needs to function well and properly.

Neither lookat or I have said that there should not be a welfare state and I am getting very irritated about posters putting words into my mouth.

reduce £80K salaries by 20K in the public sector and raise tax to 60% for salaries over £100K

So someone earning over £100K would pay 60% tax and roughly 15% NI so they would recieve 25% of their salary! And that's before pension contributions. There would be no point doing such stressful jobs would there. It's bad enough at 50% plus NI as it is now for high earners.

Brain drain...

While you reduce those salaries you are in effect reducing the trickle down effect. Those people will no longer buy a new car every three years, they will let their cleaner go, the planned renovations to the house will stop, the after school activities will be reduced, eating out will happen only occasionally.

How many people do you actually want to put out of a job? These people cost the country next to nothing, they are likely to have medical insurance but are unlikely to be paying school fees for more than one child.

The short sightedness on this thread and lack of basic economic knowledge is laughable.

Oh yes penalise high earners. No point DH working long hours in a stressful jub where he gets less than half his salary already. What was the point of going to university?

The 5.15am trains will be bloody empty from here, why would you do an hours commute to start work by 7am just to have more of your salary pinched?

I'll tell dh to come to bed before 1am tonight because there is no pint working because some entitled greedy people want more of his earnings.

Not sure about the greedy but defintley got a real problem with feeling entitled in this country.

Mine too.

He can jack it all in and work 10-2 so he's home for his teenagers and everyone else can foot the bill, eh?

There is just so much bike and envy in the suggestion to tax higher earners even more that I despair.

We pay a 50% tax rate. We have private health care and private education. We put in many, many tens of thousands every year and take back a tiny fraction. Which is right and good and fair in a civilised democracy. But if you try to take any more, we'll go. And I can absolutely promise you we won't be the only ones. I know of several people already looking into off shore.

A very well liked MNetter has gone recently, I could do a world tour and visit my friends who've left over the last 5 years. Unsurprisingly none of them are back yet.

Would you believe that some countries have offered dh and others within his industry huge tax reductions to move their companies over there.

No wonder companies are based in Luxembourg, via an accounting firm in Grand Cayman and incorporated in Singapore. This country detests and despises success.

'Benefits should be there for the bare essentials'

so those, who thought no fault of their own cannot work, should live life on a pittance?
Im more than happy to pay more tax to support people.

We also pay 50% tax. I think prehaps some thing people in higher earner bracket are rich and can afford it. We are not and could not afford to pay anymore tax. We are already looking at loosing child benefit (the only thing we get).

I am shocked that anybody thinks they should be subsidised by others. I am all in favour of scraping tax credits. Benefits like this have created a dependent society.

I'm sure my DH would love to be around to see our children in assemblies, pick the up from school etc, who would subsidize his wages?

kal I think it should be for bare essentials unless you have a medical condidtion, disabiltiy or are a carer.

so its ok to benefit from all the UK offered as you grew up then bugger off cos you dont want to pay tax? or move your company abroad to avoid paying tax?
Selfish.
People forget that a society with less crime is one with more social equality, where everyone benefits. Right now we have dreadful housing chances, a lack of secure jobs and better education even further out of reach.
Provide the jobs, the industry and the opportunity and people will work and pay taxes.
I really recommend some of the bubble people read Owen ones 'Chavs, the demonisation of the working classes'
Its a real eye opener.

Agree with Fatfleur,Lookattheheears and Alouisee. I hear so much drivel about high earners and that their wages should be cut or taxes increased even more, it makes me furious, it's pure ignorance.

I love how people who benefit bash dont see CB as a problem!

Actually I agree with scrapping CTC But then you would have to put house prices back to pre 2003 levels and start building houses otherwise people would not be able to aford to eat. I raised all my kids without ctc cos it didnt exist. But house prices were 3 times the average salary. CTC wasnt needed to prop up wages (and its the Govt subsidising poor wages and high house prices).
Now it is as the NMW and even some distance above it will not pay for a roof above your head.

I am not a benefit basher. benefits should be for people who can not work not for people with a real sense of entitlement. Op being one of them. I will be loosing child bens soon on top of paying 50% tax. jealousy.....

Agree with look at...

Actually Kalskirata may suggest some reading material for you? Theodore Dalrymple. It's an eye opener, for some.

those who work for NMW also dont see their kids cos of the hours they put in. You fail to understand this.

But you have claimed CB, and I assume that if they were not being withdrawn for the highest earners you would still continue to claim.

I can see why you would be angry that it is being suggested that you are selfish for claiming a benefit that you are entitled to. Perhaps that could help you understand why other people are angry about having benefits,to which they are entitled and probably need more than you, cut or removed.

I don't agree with you about claiming child benefit when you don't need it, unless of course you give it away - which you may.

If we are so eager to repay the deficit rather than simply attack the most vulnerable why don't more of us refuse to claim our child benefit when we realise we don't need it.