To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

i do hope Lookattheears is treated in the same way as the poster in the DG who was banned, her posts are beyond just an opinion.

So you now get banned for suggesting some people signed off with depression could work?

Wow.

Since when did this sight have moderators? And who died and made you God Sevenfold.

If you think a post breaks guidelines then report it but it will not people disagreeing with you.

*site

I strongly support the welfare state ( as well as an NHS free at the point of delivery) but I can see all points of view here - including Lookattheears.

The reason why this is such a complex area to tease out is as always - trying to provide the right social support for people who need it, whilst at the same time making sure the system is not abused and that it pays to work. When you have a humane society, you will always find some people will take advantage of the system.

One of the biggest problems is that sometimes it doesn't pay to work and people are caught up in a poverty trap. This has to be wrong. We don't pay a decent living wage in this country and ALL salaries have to increase to accomodate that otherwise small businesses would not be sustainable.

As for work and mental illness...the latest GMC guidance is that doctors need to be encouraging patients back to work to benefit their health. Depression can be a serious chronic disease but there is a lot of over diagnosis in the community when the underlying issues are personality or social problems. I honestly don't think it does anyone good to for these people to be signed off and we should be integrating them back into society.

I posted on the other thread about carers and those that claim carers allowance. By the time I went back to it its was gone.

Will those who claim carers allowance be exempt from the changes?

If i could like a post I would like what DrLoveBoat posted.

'But it is still a drop in the ocean compared with the horror that is the welfare bill. So what do we do?'

Well, by far the largest slice of it is pensions, and there aren't many who put in as much as they will take out. So let's cut that first, shall we?

[awaits predictable response]

There are no jobs-trust me. People seem to think it's dead easy to just "get a job stacking shelves".
There arent any.
The few that there are are night shifts, so who is going to look after my child while he sleeps and I am lining up the beans, Mary Poppins?
Call centres, ditto. They want you to be available random varying shifts between 8 am and 8 pm. I can't do that.
Admin jobs between 9 and 5...? ha ha ha ha! Taken by recently redundant ace legal secretaries!

What gets me the most about this current climate is the way certain people use it as an excuse to visciously attack others. Like rats on a sinking ship,
there is a particularly British way that people want to stomp on the poor when times are tough.
If I hear the words "subsidised by the tax payer" one more time I will puke.

The people on the lowest rung pay the highest proportion of their earnings in tax.
Most people who are currently unemployed have PAID LOTS OF TAX.
If you want to go after freeloading tax dodgers, go after the corporations that pay fuck all, not the single parents that are sitting here counting out change to see if there is enough to buy both bread and milk.
Solidarity is a joke in this country.I could actually fucking cry but I can't afford the tissues.

...and I would like northernwreck's post

Be careful what you ask for. Historically, good public sector pensions have always been one of the perks of a public sector job in an effort to compete with the higher private sector salaries. Take that away and you are likely to drain the country of a lot of professionals who will work in the private sector or go abroad. It's interesting that when my peers who were working in marketing and IT were making 2-3 times my salary in the early 90's, no-one suggested public sector workers get a pay increase. But now times are tight, it seems we are easy pray. But I am hijacking the thread and that is not fair.

Alouisee There is something as such as a lone parent. If the father has threatened to kill the mother and the children, then they end up a LP family. XP pays through the CSA but we have nothing to do with him and never will do.

Thanks mad hair day

I think there are some people with depression who can work and some who clearly cannot.

I was to be quite blunt quite insane for a short period and I could not have worked in any job.

However I was lucky that I had people around me who encouraged me to go back to work in stages. I started with voluntary work, then one day a week doing something way below what I ws qualified for. It took me four years to get me back into a position to return to my teaching career and about six years to get back into working full time.

My concern is that if I was not allowed to work part time or I was not given financial help to do so I would have tried too much to quick and I would not have made my way back into the career you lot paid me to do, which I am passably good at and which now I pay HRT for.

But he should still pay Meglet

I agree that we should get better at making absent parents pay for their children.

Aloiusee He does, the full CSA calculated amount. He only ever thought dads provided the money and could avoid dealing with his children, he's stuck in the 1950's.

I bet the full CSA amount is negligible though. We need to deduct at source like income tax and NI.

not you Alouisee.

Full CSA amount is 20% of pay for 2 kids.

And who is doing that UsualSuspect?

I still dont know where all these jobs and Extra hours are coming from.