To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

Alouisee,
That is disgusting. What right have you to state that anyone should be sterilised, whatever the circumstances.

We have hit the moral low ground here.

Pokla- Aww diddums a 14 year old has to spend a little time on his own and even make his own food.

I have found my teenagers need me just as much, if not more, than my primary/pre school DC. I think it just makes some people feel better if we pretend ALL teenagers are fine on their own or love daycare/after school clubs. Some are, some aren't. Same as some kids thrive in daycare and some hate it. So many of DC friends are spolied materially but never see their parents.

If you dont want your teens home alone then thats fine, but dont expect others to pay for that choice as its a luxury.

I do agree with the comment "Actually there is never such a thing as a lone parent. It takes two to make a baby so unless the absent parent is dead it makes sense for that parent to pay for the resulting child" but it has to apply to BOTH parents. It seems ok for one parent to claim from the state and not work whilst they berate the other parent for not working/working enough. So many double standards. Society seems to have made it fine to have a child in short term relationships and will even pay for that choice and thats what needs to be changed.

"I sometimes feel that there are very few of us who actually feel responsible for providing for our families while huge numbers of people are very happy to rely on state benefits" Amen to that, personal responsibility seems to have gone out of the window. I'd support any changes to benefits that put an end to this and go back to truly supporting those who truly cannot work due to physical impairments rather than those who can physically work but have endless excuses as to why they wont or do very little.

As long as people are contributing what they can then it's fine - my son is autistic and so I work part time instead of fulltime. If he was not autistic I would probably work fulltime but as I am utterly disorganised I might decide that everything runs better if I work slightly less than fulltime. I guess others are the same, I don't pretend to understand how another family works. If a parent is not working fulltime and claiming benefits then I guess there is a reason for that and certainly don't lose any sleep over the fact that they might be getting pennies from the Govt that I am fortunate enough NOT to need. End of.
And talk of forced sterilisation is horrible...

I knew it would not be long before someone said "supporting those who truly cannot work due to physical impairments rather than those who can physically work but have endless excuses as to why they wont or do very little".

So obviously non-physical and hidden impairments are at risk here - just what the Govt ARE seeking to change. To deny those who cannot work due to mental health issues a voice and an income because that's what the statement above means - if we can SEE your disability then you MIGHT be deemed "not a scrounger", if we CANNOT see your disability then God help you because many others will tell you to sod off.

*High school children are more than capable of coming home and starting homework'

Have you got a high school child?*

Yes, I've got two. If I'm not home when they get home they come in, grab a biscuit and a drink and start their homework. Then they start dinner.

Like I say, it;s all about expectation.

That's it dilly and unfortunately that's the way ATOS work too (whoever came up with ATOS sers is genius) - ie if they can see it you might get through (but still unlikely as in the case of Peachy's friend in the wheelchair) but if not - not a chance. They are systematically squeezing out those with invisible disabilities and mental health problems. Sigh. I sometimes feel like I should just make a standard script of all this and simply c&p it onto all these threads, we all end up saying the same and we always get those without an empathetic bone in their body who simply won't listen.

I do agree with helping the unemployed back to work, of course, but as has been said a million time where are the actual jobs then? Let alone for all those chucked off IB/ESA as fit to work when in all reality that is far from the case.

It makes me weep, it really does, we seem closer than ever to losing all sense of civilisation in the way we are treating the most vulnerable.

That's one of the most disgusting posts I've seen from you lookattheears

I feel sick now

Totally agreed madhairdays - I suffer depression and am able to work. A close friend of mine is not so fortunate, in fact getting her daughter to school and ensuring she has what she needs is exhausting.
Posts like the one below come from people too ignorant to know any better sadly. Unfortunately unless you have suffered TRUE depression then understanding the superhuman effort involved in getting through each day is difficult.
My friend has had several years of support from the mental health services - shge is getting there albeit slowly and wants to go back to working as a carer in an elderly people's home (this is what she did previously). Peopke like my friend are few and far between - sadly there's more who haven't suffered depression and who think it means lounging around all day. A pity they have no compassion eh?

...and I have reported that particular post as it really does reach the depths of ignorance and stupidity.

Years ago you just got on with it. My grandmother had 8 children, two died in infancy. She worked cleaning houses and my grandfather was down teh pit.

She may well have been depressed but she didn't have the luxury of signing herself off sick and onto benefits and just got on with it, who knows.

In life, you just have to suck it up and get the feck on with it.

...thankfully we are now more civilised eh?

I reported it too Dilly

lookattheears you might have had a point in some of your earlier posts about some things (not a lot admittedly) but you just lost all credibility

Hmm.

So do you think that every single person signed off with depression is unable to do any type of job whatsoever for any hours a week?

Depssion is a first world problem, not a disability. It is reasonably easy to medicate in the vast majority of cases. Please note I am referring to depression here not some of the more serious Mental Health problems.

I don't think that Lookattheears has broken any guidelines, she may be at cross purposes with the general mn zeitgeist and received wisdom opinion but I would be very surprised if her post was deleted.

Very true Alouise.

You don't see people in countries with a less generous Welfare state not working because of depression.

It may be an unpalatable suggestion but not having to work because of depression is a Western concept and luxury.

I feel England or Britain has become like the last days of the Roman Empire, the greed, sloth and gluttony has become our downfall.

Not at all lookathears - many are capable of AND actually DO work. the point of your post was that those who cannot just need to get off their arse and get a job - apparently they will then be "cured" - simples eh? Perhaps they should be employing you in IDS office.

No I'd be surprised if that post was deleted - having a go at those unable to defend themselves is evidently okay.

Yo are RIGHT in thinking that work can be beneficial for people with depression. I am a life long sufferer of depression and have never been out of work, in fact I feel it would be counterproductive for my mental health NOT to work. I know others though who simply CANNOT work as just getting through the day is hard enough. I found your post extremely offensive to those people (like my dear friend) who want to work, who are making efforts to improve their health being told they should be going out to work instead - my friend cannot even get on a bus without having a panic attack - can't see many employers being interested at the moment quite honestly.

Ah yes Alouise - and we don't need to look far to see the greed do we - bankers anyone?

Depression is not a first world problem, that's a myth.
It occurs in all societies, it is just far less reported in societies where there is little access to healthcare.

Lookatears
That comment really managed yet another low. But next time DH is suicidal please come and talk to him, on second thoughts, people with views like yours are probably one of the reasons why he feels suicidal on occasion.
Have you any idea how it feels to have depression? To feel no worth and to feel you have nothing to give to a family or to society? To feel like there is a ball of string in your head and you can't find the end to unravel it, to not be able to sleep, eat, find anything funny. Not to be able to read, watch a programme, fight for rights?
Thought not, your arrogance alone, I suspect would prevent you.

Of course not everyone with depression should be signed off work. I never said anything remotely like this. I was merely responding to your inflammatory post and dismissal of all those suffering in any way with what can actually be a crippling illness.

Where do you draw the line? A friend has bipolar and struggles to get through the day, let alone work, like Dilly's friend. You cannot make these generalisations and then compare it to 1940's Britain Those good old days, yes?? Those who had depression in such crippling form then were packed off to asylums and treated like maniacs. But yes, it was all better then because we all Just Got On With It and sucked it up like good citizens.

Empathy really doesn't cost anything you know. I do not suffer greatly from depression but chronic lung disease, but can appreciate how terrible it really is for those who do.