Teachers - you're 'avvin a laugh aintcha?

[mholdall]

Kids recently had a week off - half term. They were back this week then, guess what - teacher training day. Seriously, what I want to know is this: is there ANY other job in the country where you get:

• 13 paid weeks holiday a year
• Good pay
• Good pension (believe me, you do compared to people who do proper jobs in private sector - if you dont believe me, try it)
• And yet you still need these extra days to do some training. Training for what, exactly? Seriously, for what???? And how am I, as a parent, supposed to factor childcare in here.
• Oh, and you still do nothing but moan about pay, pensions etc
• Rant over

I give up. Once again you seem to think teachers are all the same, mholdall - even having read all the differing opinions on this thread. I would actually say that the only point teachers all agree on is that we have quite a tough job actually - not harder than anyone else - but equally so.

You are determined not to listen - even to those of us who partially agree with you (I know I get a good deal with holidays, pay, conditions, training and job security - I have never said otherwise).

I am sorry that you find our training inconvenient. It is a bit - to those of us who are parents too, especially - but it is necessary and we don't have any choice about it - take it up with your MP.

I also disagree with that comment, Shelley. That is just the equivalent of people saying teaching is easy - unless you have done everyone else's job you can't possibly come out with comments like that. That does teachers no favours. Some of us do tend to say things like that and it does paint us all as whingers.

Teaching is hard in a different way to most other jobs. I would never presume to say it is harder.

mholdall you might not value your kids or their education much - but other people, including teachers, do - thank goodness

OP:
teachers take themselves way, way too seriously - you teach kids ffs, it's not life or death. Get over it

Although I think you are an idiot, I actually agree with this observation.

Many teachers with whom I have worked don't take the privilege of being a teacher seriously enough (interestingly they were well-represented in so-called 'better' and/or 'private' schools), and took the p*ss out of the kids & their parents by choosing not to work hard or care about the kids in front of them. You are correct, it is not (usually) life or death.

However, the majority of teacher with whom I have worked put heart and soult into the (very challenging) job which is teaching, and therefore DO take themselves seriously ... most decent people would, if they had to deal with the range of issues which present themselves with kids.

You can choose to ignore the childrens' wider interests, and bugger off at 3.30. Some of my colleagues do. However, those of us who stay until 6 or later and do the job properly are justifiably proud of what we achieve.

Lucky for you & everyone else in society that we choose not to take the p*ss just because we potentially could ... ?

Teaching is hard in a different way to most other jobs. I would never presume to say it is harder.

Absolutely; I know for sure I couldn't teach. I don't have the patience and I think a classroom full of kids would wear me down far quicker than a conference room full of my most belligerent colleagues ever could.

Anyone else wish the OP wouldn't keep throwing in inflammatory comments and then disappearing for 100 posts. There's no discussion with people who do that.

life true, but s/he clearly has a much busier and more demanding life than us mere academics, hence the brevity & ignorance shown in his/her posts !

Oh, and usually my children are also off when I have inset days meaning I have to find extra childcare too. Suck it up!

Think I should go have a cup of tea now. Rant over

Step away from the thread. Trust me, it's not worth it!

The OP has shown that she is in the slightest bit interested in debate - she just wants to cause trouble by repeatedly lighting the blue touch paper and running off.

Let's leave her to her boring game.

I'm assuming that it's a wind-up.

Have become impartial observer life is sweet. Thanks for tea x

Feenie you are right I know - I am off to pour a nice glass of

Oooh, never been deleted before. Knew I shouldn't have posted.
Ps mumsnet hq, was it the swearing? Or my amazing qualifications that you felt would make everyone feel inadequate. (my Tongue is firmly in my cheek)

Oooh, never been deleted before. Knew I shouldn't have posted.

I got deleted too. All I said was 'Fuck off' in response to a post, not to a poster.

Someone must have got their knickers somewhat twisted...

And I got deleted. I think it is because I used the "T" word.

I like the 9-5 working idea. I'd go for that. Especially the 9am starts.

Not sure how it could work though, as marking and planning does take longer. You'd have to spread the teaching over the whole year more evenly too - maybe get the children in mornings only, so that the teachers could have the afternoons for the planning and marking.

Wouldn't help the working parents though, that.

I'm glad MNHQ deleted that last post by the OP, it was beginning to look a bit one-sided, in that only responses were getting deleted.

It's obviously a wind-up. It worked though, didn't it?

Twat-badgering = instant deletion