visiting gurdwara

[spiderpig8]

MY DDS school is visiting a gurdwara and they have been told they have to wear a scarf and bow to their religious book.
Whilst I respect other peoples right to take part in whatever religion they like, I do not respect their religion , because as a Christian I believe christianity is the only true religion.
I feel that wearing a headscarf and bowing to a book crosses the line from educational into observing some of their religious beliefs.
DH has been into Muslim, sikh and hindu temples in the courses of his work and never been asked to cover his hair, so it can't be an 'absolute' rule.

I may not know what tolerance is OP, but I know what hypocrisy is. Your kids don't have to go into the place of worship but mine will have to attend school. You don't care if my kids have to opt out of the prayers but you don't want yours to have to do the same if it offends you. The difference is this case is ONCE and mine is EVERY WEEK. Take a long, hard look at your self and please Google hypocrite.

Allowing others to follow their own religious beliefs? That gift is NOT yours to grant sunshine and now you're starting to sound seriously unhinged.

Nobody is being asked to change their religion Spiderpig, the children are going there to learn about how other religions work, which in a society like ours that is becoming more and more multi-cultural, is a very good thing.

If you are a Christian you don't believe in other gods It is the first commandment!

Actually - you know what - you need to book an appointment with your Parish priest and ask for some guidance on your attitudes. They are wrong and unhealthy and deeply unhelpful. Go do it now - no time to waste.

So OP are you going to answer my questions?

How old are your DC?

Is it their decision or yours to sit in the park with the TA rather than follow the gurdwara protocol?

"I do not respect their religion"

What a truly shitty attitude.

If you are a Christian you don't believe in other gods It is the first commandment!

Doesn't mean you don't learn about them though!!

"If you are a Christian you don't believe in other gods It is the first commandment!"

You don't have to believe in order to be respectful of others beliefs.

Yes and ??
OPs DDs would not be made to bow infront of GGS (at least in gurdwaras i know) just stop infront of (in my book that shows respect for other peoples beliefs but would not 'go against' your own)
not covering your head - you do it christian holy places it is no different.

Wow, spiderpig8, it's you starting a bigoted thread again!

Disablist and religiously intolerant - and yet claiming to be a Christian.

The OP may be many many things - but Christian is not one of them!

I am a Christian and I believe in one god but I also believe that others should be allowed to follow whatever religion they want to and if that means believing in more than one god then thats fine by me.

If a religion requires a head covering and I am going into their place of worship to educate myself I wouldnt hesitate to wear something suitable.

Menopause - if I am unhinged then so is the dictionary! That is what tolerance means!!
The oxford dictionary frines tolerance thus 'the ability or willingness to accept the existence of opinions or behaviour that one dislikes or disagrees with'

^I don't think some of you know what tolerance means
Tolerance is allowing others to follow their own religious beliefs and practices free from persecution.It does not mean that you have to follow them too!!!^

Visiting other places of worship does not mean that you follow their religions.
Do you know how daft you sound?

Exactly as it should be MrsWeasley - it costs nothing, harms you not at all and teaches respect of the differences between all of us and our beliefs or lack of them.

I went to a (Christian) prayer vigil after the London riots. There were many local leaders there, many of whom are Hindu and Muslim. They managed to be there, be respectful, and to incline their heads when things such as the Lord's Prayer was said. An incline of one's head is all we are talking about here, nothing more.

"The OP may be many many things - but Christian is not one of them!"

Absolutly right MenopausalHaze

She has a disgusting attitude.

Spiderpig Jesus would be ashamed of your intolerance.

Are you a bit thick Spiderpig?

Cant you see that definition means you accept that others have OPINIONS AND BELIEFS.. it doesnt mean you have to agree that their belief is right. It is perfectly possible to think that they are wrong and there cannot possibly be any other God, but tolerance means you allow others to practice what they want to believe.

'However, it is regarded as dignified for a non-Sikh visitor to show respect to the Sikh "Holy Scriptures" by bowing, or standing still for a second and then moving away with a respectful nod'

Taken from worra's post earlier (from a google site on gurdwaras, and for those who haven't got time to read the whole thread).

I had no worries about the head coverings, and slight reservations about the bowing to a book thing. However, if you look at what bowing to it represents, it doesn't demonstrate subservience to the book, or an acknowledgement that it contains the only truth, or that you believe everything it says. It shows that you respect the status of it as a holy book. Whether you believe what it says or not, it is in fact a holy text so bowing your head to it simply says that you respect that. It's not a custom we have, but imagine that it was the bible that you had to bow to. Would you have an issue with a non-Christian nodding their head to it? If what they are saying is 'I understand that to some people, this is a holy text and I acknowledge that'?

I show respect for all sorts of things that don't necessarily mean much to me, because I understand that for others, they are important and that accomodation is what makes society function. If we all went round showing blatent disrespect, then the world would be a crap place to live.
customs.

Yes Feeney because timed exit passes are REALLY disablist aren't they.
And not bowing to artifacts of another religion is REALLY bigotted .Do you think that, as a teacher, you should perhaps educate yourself as to what these words actually mean, dear.

Told you St Paul said it 'but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled disgraces her head?it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or to be shaved, she should wear a veil.'

We live in a multi-cultural/multi faith world. your children being exposed to different ones apart from your own special brand of 'christianity' is a good thing and all world religions encourage it.

You dont have to bow - you just have to respect the fact that others will by inclining head or just stopping.

Excellent advice menopause

menopausal (etc). Sorry

I think bowing DOES show subservience though