To get annoyed that other posters assume disabled can't work

[lesley33]

I know its hard to get an employer to take on someone who is disabled. But I hate the assumption by some posters that because someone is disabled they won't be able to work. I know loads of people with severe disabilities who are employed including people who are deaf, paraplegic, bipolar or have severe cerebal palsy. People with severe disabilities can work and there are some employers who will employ people.

OP seems confused about who to blame for this woeful state of affairs. People who assume disabled cant work or disabled themselves for being such wimps.

If its any comfort most of the disabled adults I know DO work. Including my OH who has a serious, incurable, degenerative disorder.

Like many other people with disabilities he works in the disability sector. I encoraged him to move over that way as his condition worsened because of the lack of understanding and accomadation in the private sector.

If he loses his job in the current tsunami of cuts how easy do you think it would be for him to get another? Compared to one of the thosands of non disabled men in their 40s looking for work?

Its not like he can pick up a bit of casual warehouse due to difficulties erm well picking stuff up

My sister works
My brother works
My manager works (obviously)
My mum doesnt but she is almost 70 so perhaps you could let her off?
My friend with the spinal problems works (I know! someone with a bad back working!!)
Lots of my Deaf friends and aquaintences work but all of them in the Deaf sector or Deaf arts

I know more disabled adults in work than out of it.

And thats my point! Lots of disabled people do work, but you wouldn't know it from some of the posts posted in unemployment and benefit threads.

And I have seen posts from peopel suggesting someone with a particular disability can't work. Usually from posters that I think are trying to be supportive of disabled people, but actually imo are not. Most recent one, was about someone who obviously couldn't work as they had bipolar.

where op?and like i said have you confronted posters on the threads?

But also lots of posts saying things like - lots of people can't work because of disability - people whoa re paraplegic, with serious mental illness, etc. Usually posted against someone who wants to take benefits away from everyone.

I understand they are trying to be supportive by pointing out that some poepl can't work and that benefits need to be there. But it also takes away from disabled people with those disabilities who are perfectly capable of working and often do.

haven't got the links, but i have read them. Have I confronted them - sometimes

Lesley congratulations and seven fold I think it was a dig at me

Well first of all you not read anything I posted properly have you . Start with it's not just because in double incontinent . Fact you said you only had access to a normal toilet and managed make you different from mr

I could not get in a normal toilet , so there's one difference , second fact you could get means you can stand so there's another difference

Standing makes it San site easier to get changed another difference , you obviously could tell when you had accident , there's another difference I can't first thing is I notice a wet patch or I smell it

So kinda prooves that each and every person disability. Is personal to them .

You presumed that was my only problem well your wrong oh and you also presumes I don't work and used the above why not

Missing out my long post and infact missing my post where I state the fact I work.

Lesley you can work so be greatfull notice you not posted anything about what disability you have

Ah Lesley you been hunting around mn reading my posts yep I'm a paraplegic and doubly incontinent not virtually I am and always will be

Now go read the rest of my fucking posts since your cherry picking which ones you read

The ones where I have another condition that is worsened by fact I propel myself around which is damaging my shoulders or the one WHERE INFACT IT SHOWS I DO WORK as confirmed by the Govermrnt. For 34p a hour as a carer

And paraplegic can mean different things to differernt people

I didn't say you could or couldn't work - I have no idea if you can or can't. Someone, and it may have been you, posted about how could someone work if they were incontinent and smelled. It was I think an over generalisation.

Some people with incontinence can work and some can't.

And I haven't been hunting around cherry picking. The reference to someone who is paraplegic was actually about a sister of a friend who is paraplegic and works. She works part time as she can't sit on her bum long enough to work full time - it leads to pressure sores. My point about posting about her was to say that being paraplegic does not automatically mean you can't work. Some... and note SOME people who are paraplegic can work.

Hell a paraplegic will never presume that another paraplegic is exactly the same as them with what they struggle with .

Just because one cam work does not mean another can

Same if someone looses their sight some may be up beat and find ways of coping someone else may be gripped by a very deep depression and really can not cope to even go out the door

And no I haven't posted about my illnesses because I didn't think it was relevant to the point I was trying to make. But as you asked I have a lung condition where I have holes in my lungs - which means I couldn't do a physical job or work in cold air and that I have to do physio every morning.

I also have a neurological illness which causes chronic pain, fatigue and problems that come and go like incontinence. I was virtually incontinent as I had no control over my bladder, but a bit of control over my bowel i.e. some poo would leak out, but not all.

No I posted about the fact there's lot of posts on mn about people complaining about how their work colleagues smell and then people post well something has to be done about

But you ate generalising you know one paraplegic .yes just one and not even know them that well and good on them for being able to work and do mean that . But have you stopped and thought you mentioned pressure sores because she can not sit all day which I certainly know more about pressure sores than you do .

If she is needing to get of her seat and is able sound like she has good support in place to be able to do ghat

Stop presuming and generalising. Some people with disabilited can and some can not

Your incontinence issues are not like mine so course it will affect us differ fly when cones to work and Joe bloggs Continenace will affect him personal to him

But I am, not saying everyone who is paraplegic can work so how am I generalising? The point was that some disabled people can work and that tbh I think disabled people can often do more than the general population think they can do.

For example I know someone else who works where my OH does who is severely disabled and in a wheelchair. I don't know what her disability is but she seems to have little movement in her torso area and none in her legs. She works full time. But I went to a birthday do that she was at and most peopel that didn't know her assumed that she was a guest rather than someone who worked there.

Or the woman who is paraplegic - another woman I knew had heard that she worked in an office and asked me what voluntary work she does there. She seemed astounded when i said that she worked there and yes got paid.

I think thsi attitude is very very common. And it annoys me. My posts are not an attack on disabled people.

And virtually every time I have posted I have said that some disabled people can work and some can't.

And with the continence issue I said that if the person can manage it, incontinence is not a barrier to work. That was ana cknowledgement that not every incontinence issues is easily managed and that some people with disabilities can not manage their own incontinence.

tbh it is you who is generalising - not me!

Lesley instead of coming on and saying well I mange to work so should others with disablites should stop making excuses . Would you like a medal sure I have got some tin foil somewhere

If you posted that you had got a job and was proud of it that be another thing totally and people would genuinely be happy for you .

You should take a dam hard look at yourself and be grateful that you are able to work and that you have a supportive workplace.Because that's a luxury not everyone has

And tomorrow you could lose that job and no gurantee your get a supportive workplace

I think some of this may be aimed at me. I generally try to use my own situation. My uncle had polio just after the war, he is a paraplegic. He's just retired after working in a very high powered job for forty five years.

However, my husband can't.
The benefits threads are me trying to get some thick, insensitive morons people to see sense.
Apologies if I have offended anyone.

I'm hearing impaired. I never actually considered it a disability.
Back in the pre dda days my employer discovered I wore hearing aids (I hadn't thought to declare it, being as I didn't consider it an issue).

They cut my salary.

Since then I have got other jobs only for pathetic excuses to be made once they realised I was hearing impaired "head office have relocated the job to our Northern office so we can't proceed" after having been told I'd got the job for example.

Discrimination still exists. They hide it well that's all.
Funnily enough the voluntary sector that I have worked for in various roles has never had an issue with it.

Dawndonna

Yes least you do understand that People are different even if the name of the main problem is the same

My sister was a wheelchair user following spinal cord damage. She'd had to leave her previous job (she spent a year in hospital as a result of two liver transplants, and the spinal cord damage). As soon as she was out of hospital she began to apply for jobs.

From the beginning she found she was up against a mindset that said that she shouldn't work. The Access to Work people actually asked her why she wanted a job when she wouldn't be better off working.

As a physiotherapist she obviously had limitations - it's not the easiest of jobs to do sitting down. But she perservered - although she did find it irritating to attend an interview because as an 'appropriately qualified disabled candidate' she was guaranteed an interview, only to discover that they had absolutely no intention of even considering her. She eventually was offered a job, and attended a medical (like any NHS employee will). The doctor doing the medical said to her: "I disapprove of you working - you're in a wheelchair, and clearly can't do the job properly. However, the equal rights laws won't let me say this."

Lesley you have a lung condition, sounds similar to mine. However even within that there is a huge range of what people are able to do. My condition ranges from mild to severe and all in between and affects different people in different ways, so some work, some struggle to due to repeated infections which knock them out again and again. I do physio 2-4 times a day but if it was just that then I would still be able to work, it's the other stuff that goes with it for me.

Jee

In her case hoped she told him to stuff off.

my first choice of a physio would be One In a chair or one that had experience of being in one .

I thought Lesley was trying to be supportive, as in, it is patronising to assume all disabled people can't work? And hoped that Sansa was being tongue in cheek, but I'm not so sure.

Ninky

Lit of us thought that to but well colours and out spring to mind .