AIBU to think people shouldnt be getting money for having children?

[normality]

i know it is is controversal but i dont understand why some people feel the entitlement to get money for having children and aibu to think it should stop?

I think that if people want children then they should have them but they should not feel they are entitled for some kind of monetary hand out for having them

I especially feel like getting money for being pregnant like the sure start grant, maternity grant, healthy start vouchers ect should not happen because if you cant afford to have a child why should the goverment pay you to do this? what about the people who do not have any children and choose not to or can not why should they miss out on multiple grants and vouchers when they are paying more and more taxes to support the people who choose to have children and then choose not to work?

• i have a dd and although i wanted a large family i could not afford to have more than one child so stopped but never claimed any grants ect because i did not want to be paid for being pregnant as it was my choice

Op.... Your child benefit?? Why are you taking it then?

Natation - what a great idea. It shows that looking at things in a different way does work. Does anyone on this thread really believe that the way we pay benefits work?

The Tories Pinky

Oh fuck it, what's the point, DH have been waiting to cash in. Now it's another two years for each child.

normality, benefits have to be free from judgement. It's the way it has to be. You can't stop parents from dying, pissing off, getting depressed, losing their jobs and you can't stop feckless people from having children with no intention in getting a job.

so you have to accept in order to help the needy you may help a few greedy.

If you want to change these people taking money away is not the answer. Noone with good self belief and motivation sits out of work for years, noone with self belief and a sense of moral justice has more children than they are ever willing to provide for.

Does anyone know what's happened to the CTF already issued please??

intention of.

That was my very, very firstest post on AIBU. I think I was BU.

I've just had a statement, for one. It happens about a month after their birthday.

Hmmm, DD's birthday was months ago...no statement

OP: why don't you use your kid's child benefit to pay for a basic literacy course? Just a thought.

Me too, Zippa! I can't help it.

SN's didn't need the '. The child doesn't belong to the special need.

Having said that I am utterly delighted to find that a special caveat has been made in the entitlement matrix for my disabled child.

Bless you!

natation - I wasn't aware France and Germany work by using the tax break system (rather than direct, "here's your cash in your hand" system we have here in the UK).

That's interesting to know too.

I do despair when I see so many posters are unwilling to engage in some serious discussion on this topic though.

Going "lalalalla" and sticking our fingers in our ears isn't really constructive, IMHO.

natation I have lived in London for 30 years. I have never seen a family on benefits living in the best parts of London for £2000 pw. There may have been one or two cases in RBK&C that have hit the headlines but most families on benefits in London live in places that you would not care to go to and at best would be looking over your shoulder if you did.

There are a significant number of people living in dire circumstances which to some are the norm and to others who have hit hard times are incredibly humbling.

I woud be regarded by many as "high tory" but even I don't agree with what you have said in your post.

There does seem to be a view from some that there are just a few greedy people and the rest are legitmate claims, I am not sure that is correct, we have one of the highest teenage pregnancies in Europe. We also have a HUGE welfare bill. Why is that? Is it because there are no real consequences to having a baby at an age you should be out with your friends. If the option under 18 was a hostel with training and support dont you think that the teenage pregnancy rate would drop?

Also my dd's child benefit gets paid into an account which i have never touched and will be given to dd when she turns 18 to use unless it is given to charity before then

Why did you bother applying for Child Benefit at all if there's a chance that you're going to give it all to charity anyway? You didn't have to send the form off.

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Actually, Rocky. I think you will find the highest teenage pregnancies are in the Himalayas. We're much closer to sea level here.

Rocky12 ...do you think that teenage mothers are given 3 council houses as soon as they are pregnant?

Do you know how difficult it is to get a council house in some parts of the country?

My mother lives in Ealing, just around the corner from the Afghan aslum seekers in the £10k per month house. Perhaps very unusual but surely this cannot be right. Mum has paid her council tax without fail for years to fund this family in a 6 bed house where no one is working..... Council wrote a letter to all residents saying that their hands were tied. Rules are rules and this family was 'entitled' due to the ages of their children.

I decided to shout as the point about not stopping it completely seems to have missed the eyes of some of the posters here who think i am worse than scrooge

I feel it should be limited to one year of government benefit at a time and then not be entitled to help for at least a year and if you needed help again you would then have to apply for help and be thoroughly interviewed and circumstances examined before help was administered

Families would be entitled to tax breaks instead of benefits and council houses would be limited to 3 bedroom size as would any housing benefit be limited to the price of a 3 bedroom house

NO i do not have any issues with dla, pensions, nhs ect as these are a need and not monetary compensation for having a child

I think that teenage mothers are well suppported tbh in this country and of course they dont get 3 houses each!

Poor Afghans. God knows what they and their children have had to live through. Good for them making it to the UK where their girls will have a chance at a decent life.