AIBU to think people shouldnt be getting money for having children?

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i know it is is controversal but i dont understand why some people feel the entitlement to get money for having children and aibu to think it should stop?

I think that if people want children then they should have them but they should not feel they are entitled for some kind of monetary hand out for having them

I especially feel like getting money for being pregnant like the sure start grant, maternity grant, healthy start vouchers ect should not happen because if you cant afford to have a child why should the goverment pay you to do this? what about the people who do not have any children and choose not to or can not why should they miss out on multiple grants and vouchers when they are paying more and more taxes to support the people who choose to have children and then choose not to work?

• i have a dd and although i wanted a large family i could not afford to have more than one child so stopped but never claimed any grants ect because i did not want to be paid for being pregnant as it was my choice

Also, I got a message deleted by Mumsnet!

I never thought I'd see the day.

What always surprises me on mumsnet is how very very many people have disabled children or husbands etc. Has this always been so? Is there is a rise in it? What is causing it? It must be very difficult for everyone.

On the issue of rewards for having large families we could just support the first two children on the state and ifyou have more you cram them all into the same room - plenty of people on here will have grown up 3 in a bed or room and lived to tell the tale.

oh, I've had one deleted as well

I can't even remember what I said

Plenty of people in social housing cram kids into one room

And he earnt too much for us to qualify for any housing benefit.

That's what I meant, too high to claim HB. Your total income with your tax credit will be higher than an equilavent family, in a same priced property who do get HB.

If you applied and received the decision letter, the letter would state, what your total income is, the amount the law says your family need to live on, then some calculations to show what HB you would get.

I do struggle to understand how if you are an unemployed single SAHP, you need an extra £65/75 a week to provide for one extra DC.

I am on benefits and receive £146 per week for my DD and I (after my rent and CT is paid), yet a single mother with 3 DC on benefits will receive £290 a week (after rent and council tax are paid).
Does it really cost another £144 A WEEK to provide for 2 more DC???

Surely not!!

Depends which room you all cram into/sleep in!

My housing officer was horrified when I showed her where I sleep!!

Where do you sleep ILoveTIFFANY??

(You just knew someone was going to ask )

I think child benefit should stop after 2 children.

My neighbours growing up had 4 DC, in a 3 bed house that they owned. The parents slept on a sofa bed in the lounge for a few years until they could afford a house with bigger rooms/better layout, where they converted one of the reception rooms into their bedroom.

Absolutely child benefit should stop after 2 children.

disclaimer: of course the following does not apply to everyone on IB, i am talking about my two relatives.

I have two single male relatives who live on incapacity benefits as a lifestyle choice. the only thing that is wrong with them is lazy bastards disease. they each own a house outright due to inhertance and engage fraud at every opportunity (have recently been reported by other family members).

why are they 'too ill to work'? because it pays them more money than not. the 'benefits system' has screwed them up. they are the most money grabbing people i know.

none of the family, has seen them 'too ill to work'. ATOS seem bad in many ways, but if they kick my reletives up the bum, it will be one thing in their favour.

(slightly off the original post)

'What always surprises me on mumsnet is how very very many people have disabled children or husbands etc. Has this always been so? Is there is a rise in it? What is causing it? It must be very difficult for everyone.

1. MN is not representative: it has a Sn section therefore it attracts people living with SN.

2. yes it is on the rise: more children surviving with disability, or premature birth.

3. less stigma around certain types of illness mean that people willa dmit it; although whereas I might admit to DH's illness on here I would not in RL: anonymity (relative anyway) is a wonderful thing

4. betetr diagnosis of disabilities where the person would have simply been written off as stupid, or indeed taken away and parents told to forget about them as happened countless times in the good old days.

Mind, last time I got into this debate with arch-Tory BIL he suggested that the solution was euthanasia, in front of ds1 who understood him. Cheers bro. now Do One (BIL, not this thread).

No thanks Tilly, the thread is about children and benefits therefore all variants of that group are relvant. like herll am I going to sit and watch the media / uninformed turn benefits intoa one size fits all group without having my say.

I had driving lessons btw.

I worked to pay for them. Is all.

Littlemiss..... Living room. BUT it has a gas fire in it and there are no carbon monoxide alarms. I have 5 dc in a small 3 bed. It's fine really. I chose to give up my bedroom and sleep on sofa bed. Not a huge issue

But I could be moved in 6 weeks to bigger property. Its not allowed apparently. No room can be used to sleep on if a gas appliance is present or something.

Where are all these 4/5/6 bedroomed council houses? because where I live 4 bedroomed houses are extremely rare.

Usual..... A fair few here,new builds. About 6 new build sites locally, and a proportion are supposed to be for social housing. I bid fortnightly. There are plenty if houses to choose from usually

That sounds potentially dangerous ILoveTIFFANY.

Can the DC's not be split into 2 rooms so you can have a bedroom?

Blimey the waiting list for a 4 bed here is years long

But OP, popping out babies is such a lucrative hobby. You could just pop one out yearly to get the munnies.
Let the TV and a pile of microwave meals bring the kids up.
Sit back and count up all you're raking in. Easy peasy.

^anyone who thinks the above is reality, has some living to do^

ILoveTIFFANY, aren't you given more points because of your current situation being potentially dangerous?

Well yes Tiff you can bid but not get.

We've been told should we lose this palce (just ahd another year extended) that SSD won;t allow us to accept under 4 bedrooms as ds1 and ds3 have to be separated due to SN. And that will invovle a stay in a B&B due to shortages, and during that the SN kids will be fostered as B&B not safe for them.

We have 3 bedrooms now but ds4 is in with us for the foreseeable. DS3 has a bed in what was the dining room. We are happy but SW isn't so much, though accepts our decision.

'What always surprises me on mumsnet is how very very many people have disabled children or husbands etc. Has this always been so?

i dont think so because:

1. we are in an ever increasingly medicalised world. a good number of my family (not the part i refer to above) is probably on the mild end of ASD.... i like us as we are and dont want to be any other way but things which were historically individual quirks are now diagnosed as problems.

1. we are all sucessful careerwise but if we were on benefits, there would be a self interest being diagnosed with something.

^ if it's a shit life on benefits stop pumping out the kids then. we've had reliable contraception in this country for quite a few years now.

ILoveTIFFANY you can buy a carbon monoxide sensor for £4. Why not just buy one?