AIBU to think people shouldnt be getting money for having children?

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i know it is is controversal but i dont understand why some people feel the entitlement to get money for having children and aibu to think it should stop?

I think that if people want children then they should have them but they should not feel they are entitled for some kind of monetary hand out for having them

I especially feel like getting money for being pregnant like the sure start grant, maternity grant, healthy start vouchers ect should not happen because if you cant afford to have a child why should the goverment pay you to do this? what about the people who do not have any children and choose not to or can not why should they miss out on multiple grants and vouchers when they are paying more and more taxes to support the people who choose to have children and then choose not to work?

• i have a dd and although i wanted a large family i could not afford to have more than one child so stopped but never claimed any grants ect because i did not want to be paid for being pregnant as it was my choice

But paying HB at market rents has led to a massive amount of money being spent by councils who could have spent the money on improving sink estates. Labour did try to improve housing but ultimately failed because of high immigration leading to a pausity of resources.

I think the government needs to build more affordable/council housing.

When I lived in London I was earning probably the equivalent now of about £16k for full time work. But it was in the late 80's/early 90's when housing costs soared. I was paying, 20 years ago mind, £60 per week to rent a room in a shared house. And it was very difficult to find anywhere to rent at that rate.

Families I knew who didn't have social housing were all very cramped. So colleague in a tiny 1 bedroom flat with her toddler and her and DH sharing the same bedroom. Another colleague with an 8 year old boy who both rented 1 room together in a shared house.

For those without social housing, finding anywhere to live that was affordable was very very difficult.

Hunty things sound tough for you. Hope things work out a bit better soon. I'll mention you (anonymously) next time some idiot starts wittering on when I'm on the anti-cuts stall.

A 3 bed ex council house terrace with small garden near where i live is on rightmove for £500k.

i dont think council houses should have been sold & not replaced but whose going to pay for more council houses where i live, if they cost £500k?

how can anyone advocate spending the nation's money to help people on low incomes live there, when most people on reasonable incomes cannot afford it?

also - there isnt much wrong with the council estates my way if houses command that price.

Where I live we have lots of new builds available as social housing.
A 3 bed is £100 a week
A 4 bed Is £122 a week
A 5 bed is £136 a week

Commutable to London too. Same houses to rent privately? Add on £300. Madness

hbp; Have you seen Clapham Prices? that's where I'm from, had to move out when I got married.

hardboiledpossum, it's the minority the caps are targetting. Those on sink estates are unlikely to be affected.

I can't remember where I read it, but I'm sure it was 1% of HB claimants that receive HB that is over the 30% centile. The amount paid is out of proportion with the number of people.

I don't what they expect people to do though. If a family are on benefits or low income, how can they find the money to move? This is why I was suggesting the councils could bring in a scheme to fund the move out of London.

Mutual exchange if in HA/council housing?

They'll be in private rentals.

It isn't just the deposit and the advance rent, it's the cost of actually moving. When people are living from week to week they aren't going to have hundreds spare to pay for removal companies, plus train fares for family etc.

Council are currently paying £1500 per week for a 5 bed, so they cover up to £1000 in moving costs with a voucher scheme. Family can move to a 5 bed for £136 where you are. Council saves money in the first week.

I agree the welfare system is flawed, some people do think they are entitled to extra money for each extra child.
We are currently on IS, 4 children 1 with severe autism. I care for the 2 youngest and DP is DS's main carer, our eldest is 15 so cares for herself locks herself in her bedroom
We do get a fair old amount in CTC, DLA, IS, CA, and HB. We are in a too small council house with no hope of moving to a larger, wether private or council. I also got the Surestart grant and HIP grant and we get milk/veg tokens.

We are very lucky in what we get, we can survive on our benefits and we can easily make sure the children and well fed and cared for. I don't like being on benefits and am starting training soon to provide for our family. i don't feel entitled but the benefits have been a huge help and stopped us living in poverty. It is hard to get out the benefit trap, especially with education cuts, university place cuts and now a retirement age rise. There are less jobs and more people looking for them and less help training to get a well paid job.

Where do the government start in helping everyone get a job and live off benefits? They can't help everyone, a minimum wage hardly supports a single man so it won't support a family without CTC/WTC.

rycooler I'm also from Clapham and lived there from birth until very recently, minus a few years up north at uni. It's shit that you had to move because you couldn't afford to live there (I also had to) but I don't think we should make it an area that only the very rich can afford to live in by pushing out the poor. I think the solution is more council housing.

I thought it was good to see on John Humphries recent BBC2 program that something like 94% of British people support a welfare state.

I recall from the same program around 60% of people want it reformed.

Great idea OP

We were both in good jobs when we had our brood but for reasons (disability in 2, a redundancy) our income plummeted so without state help we'd be homeless and hungry.

So gien they are all playing up tonight and I have stuff to do, am dropping them at yours OP for a meal and a bed so I can get on.

Cheers m'dear!

(AKA, fuck off, I paid my taxes and will again thanks very much. there but for the grace of God go you).

oh I have said this bedore but I will do it again just so people cease making fools of themselvs with their wrong posts

80% of people claiming HB are BOT unemployed

We get some, DH works low income.

Low paid, sick, disabled, elderly.

eigty fucking percent.

I am glad that there has been discussion while i have been at work and spending time with my dd to the people who wish me to use more puncuation i do not feel that it will in any way enhance my posts and you will still find more ways to poke holes in my posts even though they are readable just lacking in punctuation

Also to the people who want me to post statistics and reports i will point you to google and say if you think i am wrong find the proof and do not hassle the posters who are saying that being pregnant opens more financial doors or that young people are wanting to get pregnant to get this assistance as they have first hand knowledge of it

Readable? Barely...

Yes, his income was too high. At £16.8K pa before tax. .

I was a FT carer to my 4 dc - two of whom have asd. I myself have Epilepsy. None of us get DLA anymore thanks to ATOSsers. He earnt £16.8k pa before tax, working FT as the sole wage earner. And he earnt too much for us to qualify for any housing benefit. And £4.28 a week Working Tax Credit hardly covers the rent, does it? That is the amount of WTC you get when you earn £16.8k pa. Which is hardly a high wage, is it?

Because the Government are throwing money at low earners, aren't they. .

errr Peachy the OP is not talking about SN & disabilities.

60% of people in this country want benefits reformed. maybe you could put you argument in a better way than telling the OP to f off?

Does anyone on here think that state benefits/HB for single parents/unemployed/working poor is too low?
Maybe I have missed that bit. (It's a long thread )

If it is too low...how much more would you like?

Or is it that the majority of people claiming benefits are happy with how much they receive atm and don't want it to be reformed?

I'd love more benefits, then I could afford a bigger tv, driving lessons and a car, foreign holidays etc etc! However, I do not NEED more benefits. We have enough to live on, and I would certainly NOT complain that it's not enough.

Psst, my 1st sentence is said tongue in cheek before I get yelled at

But all people on benefits have all those things

you must have ticked the wrong boxes