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Eamonn Holmes is a bit of a know isnt he

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AVoidkaTheKillerZombies · 27/10/2011 16:40

here

Asking a rape victim why she didnt take a taxi.

Knob!

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mynewpassion · 27/10/2011 17:56

I've watched him interview people on Sky News and he seems antagonistic all the time. I admit that I like hard hitting interviews but his isn't. He always seem to have an agenda of putting interviewees down. As if he attacks them personally instead of attacking the issues.

MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 27/10/2011 17:58

Police mishandling of Worboys case

The IPCC inquiry found individual and systemic failings in the Met. In one police report a detective constable dealing with the July 2007 victim had written: "The victim cannot remember anything past getting in the cab. It would seem unlikely that a cab driver would have alcohol in his vehicle, let alone drug substances." Other findings included:

? Officers adopting a mindset that a black-cab driver "would not commit such an offence", and failing to challenge Worboys, who was identified by his cab number in CCTV footage in July 2007, over his account.

? Failing to search his home for evidence, and making no attempts to corroborate the victims' accounts.

? Failing to check his story or re-interview him after hearing the July 2007 victim's full statement.

Worboys was arrested and released without charge after the woman came forward in July 2007 and officers chose to believe his account, not hers. Seven months later he was arrested again when police finally put together years of missed intelligence

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 27/10/2011 17:58

I loathe Eamonn Holmes. I don't understand how he has kept his job for so long, he's awful.

He was blaming her before he even spoke a word to her if that article is correct.

In quick succession we have:

"She was on her way home from a night out with her friends and walking home - didn't take a taxi."

"It's that old thing, I always say. Why were you tempted to walk home?"

She said: "I thought it would be OK [to walk down two streets alone.]"
Holmes said: "But it wasn't."

"I hope you take taxis now. Everywhere you go, coming home at night."

"How many times do I tell people who I know to take taxis?"

He repeats it far too often to be anything but judging her, doesn't he realise you can be just as much at risk in a taxi? It's not advice, whatever the ITV spokesperson says, not when he harped on about it so much and started before she even opened her mouth to speak. Right from the outset he wanted to focus on the walking/taxi issue and by putting so much emphasis on it he was blaming her.

How many people will be frightened to come forward following a sex attack if they think the first thing said to them will be "well what were you even doing walking home anyway, you should have called a taxi?"

PamBeesly · 27/10/2011 18:00

He is vile for saying that, victim blaming? My heart goes out to any victim of a sex attack that had to watch and listen to that, especially the woman on the show.

KatieScarlett2833 · 27/10/2011 18:02

YANBU x billions

He is the most odious individual ever to appear on TV.

MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 27/10/2011 18:04

She's an amazingly strong woman who chose to waive her anonymity to talk about her rape. She - whilst being attacked - managed to deliberately plant evidence of her DNA in her rapists car. She was 18.

She didn't need that kind of crap from him.

TethHearseEnd · 27/10/2011 18:05

He is a massive, massive cunt.

oksonowwhat · 27/10/2011 18:06

Never liked the man, don't know what he's still doing on tv. His wife deserves a medal. I love Tezza Wogan though.

SardineQueen · 27/10/2011 18:06

narky - yes great post

gettingagrip · 27/10/2011 18:09

I wonder if Robert Black's poor victims should have been in a taxi?

Disgusting victim blaming.

Please support this organisation....

www.vday.org/home

I note that the poor man who was beaten to a pulp described in the same trash newspaper (DM) was not told he should not be out at night on his own.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2054124/Face-father-left-unrecognisable-gang-robbers-stole-wedding-ring.html

All credit to DM though for this story.

LadyEvilEyes · 27/10/2011 18:10

I'm actually going against the grain here, because I did see him say later on that that is what he says to his wife and possibly his daughters.
Because he knows there are rapists out there and just wants to keep his loved ones safe.
I really don't see any harm in that.
Isn't that what you would say to your 18 year old daughters?

TheOriginalFAB · 27/10/2011 18:10

He isn't blaming her.

He asked why she didn't take a taxi. It is quite possible he didn't know she only lived 2 streets away from her friend.

MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 27/10/2011 18:19

At the end of the interview, after thanking her for appearing, Holmes said: 'I hope you take taxis now. Everywhere you go, coming home at night.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 27/10/2011 18:19

Miss Cant explained she lived 2 streets away.

And why is it OK for men to walk home alone, but not women?

He is victim blaming, FAB. However subtly. He is saying "If you'd done this, then you wouldn't have been raped". That poor girl has probably relived that moment a million times, wondering if things would have turned out different, had she hired a taxi.

HelveticaTheBold · 27/10/2011 18:19

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HerdOfTinyElephants · 27/10/2011 18:23

But the main feature of her case is how she thought on her feet and did what she could to ensure that her attacker would be identifiable after the attack. That's what's newsworthy.

Holmes turned it into a "well, what do you expect if you don't take a taxi" interview. He mentions it twice in the introduction and twice in the conclusion. Women, don't venture out of your own house at night unless you are prepared to pay for a taxi. That's what Eamonn Holmes always says, apparently. The whole tone of the interview is "well, I bet you feel like a muppet now for not taking a taxi those two streets home".

SheCutOffTheirTails · 27/10/2011 18:24

Presumably you would also tell your sons to get taxis everywhere, in case they get attacked?

LadyEvilEyes · 27/10/2011 18:24

So because he is a loving father and husband that just wants to look out for the women in his life, suddenly he is a victim bashing sexist.
Sadly, when we do walk home alone, we take a risk.
I would say to my nieces, my sister , and my son that it is preferable to take a taxi than walk alone at night.
I would do it too.

ImperialBlether · 27/10/2011 18:25

What gets me is when you see him and his wife together and he talks non-stop and half of what he's saying is that his wife talks too much.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 27/10/2011 18:26

80% of rapes are carried out by someone known to the victim.

Sadly, whenever we let a man into our lives, on that knowledge, we are taking a risk.

Should we all stop socialising with men? Hmm

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 27/10/2011 18:27

No, he should have known.

Programmes like this have researchers to find out every detail and a decent journalist would have been all over that research before the interview took place.

He should have known every detail.

And maybe he does say it to his wife or daughters. But he didn't have to say it so often to this woman and in the way he did, before she spoke, while she was speaking, after she had finished speaking.

If he felt so strongly about it he could have said, once, "I always tell my wife and daughters to take taxis, why didn't you take one?" Which would have allowed her to say that she was only two streets away from home and thought it would be safe. But he didn't have to keep making the point, over and over, including the utterly disgusting "But it wasn't" comment when she told him just that.

He should and probably did know she was just two streets away from home. He should not have said "but it wasn't" to her or repeatedly pressed her on the taxi issue no matter what he personally tells his family.

It comes across as judging and blaming a woman who showed more presence of mind and courage then Eamonn will ever have.

NorfolkBroad · 27/10/2011 18:27

He is an absolute prat. Can't stand him.

herbietea · 27/10/2011 18:28

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SardineQueen · 27/10/2011 18:29

She was raped because she was unlucky enough to be in the path of an extremely dangerous man.

That is not her fault, she is not culpable.

You can follow all the "rules" in the world and still be raped. If you are unlucky enough to be in the path of a rapist who decides to rape you.

All those women who were attacked by john warboys - they did the "right thing" but they would have been far better off on foot.

I support the idea that everyone should avoid unnecessary risks. However I do not support the idea that women should have to follow specific "anti-rape" advice. This woman was 2 streets from her home FGS. She was not taking a wild risk. She was simply bloody unlucky.

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