Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Previouslyonlost can you update please

118 replies

deburca · 27/10/2011 14:15

previously didnt want to hijack the other thread but was so impressed with you last time im dying to find out have you have managed to distance yourself from those horrible people.

anyone else out there wanting to know how previouslyonlost did it?

OP posts:
FearfulYank · 29/10/2011 18:34

Sigh...I'm in the need of some great strapping balls myself. I have a brother who lives with me and he constantly takes the piss.

I will read the other thread for inspiration.

PreviouslyonLost · 29/10/2011 19:29

fuzzypicklehead Your 'free time' sacrifice is duly noted, and sympathised with. I too fritter away precious minutes at the altar of MN...just call it the AIBU bank, withdrawals sometimes outpace the deposits Grin

FearfulYank You've come to the right place. 'AIBU...Brother living with me' sounds like a classic in my opinion! Shiny, strapping Balls are available for those who dare Smile PLEASE share, Wine at the ready.

FearfulYank · 30/10/2011 04:05

I don't know if it's worth it's own thread but I may hijack this one. Blush

Jacksmania · 30/10/2011 04:26

Not my thread obv but I'm curious, hijack away!

FearfulYank · 30/10/2011 05:41

Welll....ok.

He's just really sort of a douche. :) Really. I always say he was a difficult child who grew into a difficult man, and it's the truth. He was by all accounts a lovely little boy until about three, which is coincidentally when I was born. Hmm My parents were 18/19 when he was born and he was always sort of babied as a small child, we both were.

We fought terribly throughout our entire childhoods. When we were 7 and 10 we moved to another state, far away from our extended family, and my mother became depressed. My brother acted out a lot starting around 12 and he and my mom started to have an extremely fraught relationship that continues to this day. They would fight, he would say cruel things. She would tell him to stop, that the conversation was finished. He would follow her from room to room, ranting and raving and eventually they'd start screaming at each other. Sometimes she'd hit him. :( (Not like the horrific abuse cases you hear on the news of course, but nothing I'd do to my son certainly.)

When he was 14 he started to get into drinking heavily, and pot and other drugs. When we were 16 and 13 our grandmother came to visit us (our extended family was about a thousand miles away) and one night during her stay she didn't wake up. :( My brother was gone that night and when my Dad went to find him and tell him our Grandma had died, my brother was so far gone (mushrooms I think) that he thought it was a dream until a few days later.

My brother started refusing to go to school and getting arrested for the drinking, etc. I used to wake up in the middle of the night with my parents saying "they had to go out" and I'd know they were going to pick B up at the police station again. I'd wake up again to hear them back and my brother screaming and swearing at them. That year, when he was 16, they decided to let him leave home and he moved in with friends. That didn't work out and my father said he couldn't live with us unless he was working or going to school. He didn't want to do either of those things so he used to sneak back in and sleep in his old room. I remember waking up one morning and my father shouting at him to "get a fucking job!" and just lying there thinking, this is not normal.

He began living with a family in our town and working. I saw him sometimes. He didn't come visit us, though sometimes on Christmas or something he'd stop by. I heard that he was sleeping on the park benches sometimes or from wilder kids in my grade that they'd been partying with him. I sent him birthday cards.

I went to college when I was 18. Things started to get better with my mother and she's mostly pulled out of her depression now. My brother came to visit me a few times. He moved to New Mexico when I was...22 I think? And lived there for a few years. He moved into someone's old, restored chicken coop Hmm and helped on their ranch. He was 25 or 26 when he got involved in a relationship with a 17 year old girl and that made things a bit uneasy for him, so to speak. He's always doing that, getting together with very young women. Not so young that I think he belongs on a register or anything, but usually 19-24 or so. (He's 32 now.) I think that it's easier or him, they're still young enough to be suckered along by his bullshit and not make where-is-this going sort of "demands" on him.

When I was 24 I got married and he came for the wedding. I hadn't seen him in three years or so. He got drunk at my wedding but my Dad managed to get him in the car and home before he made any huge scenes.

He decided, on a whim, that he would go back to Ohio and live with our grandmother instead of New Mexico. Never mind that the ranchers were depending on him, never mind that he had a horse and truck that he would need them to sell.

He lived with my grandmother for three years and hated it. I told him he could come here. I don't know why. He's my only sibling, I guess, and so much of our family's lives have revolved around B and don't-make-B-mad and let's-all-walk-on-eggshells-around-B.

He moved into my garage. (In the winter he lives in the basement.) He pays us about $100 every month or so. He doesn't pay for electricity or water or soap or shampoo or laundry detergent. He buys a lot of his own food but also eats a lot of ours. If we're doing a big project (like when we repainted the house) he will help a bit, and if I have to get to work before DH gets home he will keep an eye on DS. It's usually for only 15 minutes or so, though, and I am trying to limit that. He winds DS up a lot of the time and, because he was drinking with people our parents' age when he was 13/14 and sees no problem with that, I don't feel he has appropriate ideas about adult/child boundaries. That's an understatement!

Where the balls come in...well, he'll do things like not wash his dishes. Or he'll come in and make food and leave things all over the counter. I don't know why I have a problem saying, "Hey asshole, come get your crap off the counter!"

There is so, so much more but I think this is going to be The Biggest and Longest Thread Hijack in Mumsnet History, so I'll go for now. And if anyone actually managed to read all that, I salute you. It felt so good to just say it.

PreviouslyonLost · 30/10/2011 11:14

FearfulYank...I read it! Well done.

The most telling point, I think, was your 'walking on eggshells' comment...I think your brother has manipulated people all his life for his own ends. (My BIL is very similar, fundamentally good but jaw-droppingly selfish...he was given £30,000 for his business by his parents, he drank the business away, then blamed his parents for his problems because they gave him the money!).

Your brother is clearly a clever man and learned early that tantrums and stamping his feet got him what he wanted. Most people grow out of that behaviour as other outside influences exert social pressure to 'conform'.

You are giving him a place to live, heating, light, food, toiletries, everything...and he is extracting the urine! By the time we've developed your new Balls, you'll have NO problem saying "Hey asshole, come get your crap off the counter!"

I look forward to reading more.

Jacksmania · 30/10/2011 15:35

FY - I completely agree with POL. Everyone has walked on eggshells around him and it needs to stop. What does your DH say about him leaving all his crap around?
I can see how it would be very difficult to start changing the pattern, but how about baby steps?
"You need to clean up after yourself. We all do, and you need to as well. We are trying to set a good example for DS."

I'm not trying to trivialize the stress of living with an arsewipe. But - what is the worst that will happen? I'm seriously asking. If the worst is that he will kick off, well, you've seen that before. Yes, it horribly stressful, but you've dealt with that before. And you're past the point of "anything for a quiet life", I think. If the worst that can happen is a destructive rampage, then... hmmm... not sure.

dawntigga · 30/10/2011 19:32

Marking my place as I'm a reflector.

It'sAGoodJobAsSomeEmailsI'dLikeToHaveSentAreABitHarshTiggaxx

FearfulYank · 31/10/2011 03:44

The thing is, when I have stood up to him he backs down of course, because he's a bully and that's what they do, isn't it.

One night over the summer I'd turned my phone off because I wanted to sleep in and forgot about it. When I turned it back on I had several missed calls from him and a text demanding to know where I was. He'd left me a voicemail saying that he'd gotten hauled in for drunk driving and needed someone to pick him up and why wasn't my goddamn phone on, etc, etc. I was tired and irritated beyond all belief and fired back a text that said "Do not leave me messages like that, I'm sorry you're in trouble but it's your own FUCKING STUPID FAULT."

He was incredibly nice for a few weeks after that.

I was planning on having a discussion with him about his "plans" (i.e., when are you moving out of my house) but then he had court and jail time and fines, etc. And I felt like I couldn't. And he has the nerve to bitch because he has to get whiskey plates for his car. FFS, don't drive drunk then you stupid ass! It's not rocket science!

The thing is, I know it's all or nothing with him. It's not like I will ask him to move along and he will go find an apartment in town or something. He doesn't work like that. He will find a friend who's moving out to Colorado or something and fall in with them, or go find some farm in California that needs a hand and has a shed he can crash in. And I won't see him for years.

And I don't know that I'd mind, necessarily. I don't know. I do love him, I do. He's my only sibling and he is honestly the funniest person I know. And I feel...I feel responsible for him, for some reason. So much of my personality started as a foil for his, I think. The darker and more hostile he got, the more bubbly and warm I became. I turned into little miss go-with-the-flow to offset his rages.

The thing that pisses me off the most is that he actually thinks he's more together than I am...this seems to be based on the fact that I don't drive. For some reason, this is the end all be all where he is concerned. I don't drive, so I'm immature or irresponsible or something. Whilst he is dating teenagers and living in my fucking garage. Hmm

He is mean, too. Really, down to the bone mean if he wants to be. He makes people (mostly women) cry and thinks it's funny. He likes to argue, he likes to hurt people. He says "I just can't keep my mouth shut" and I tell him he can , he just chooses not to. His nose has been broken I think...three times now and is pretty misshapen, and I always tell him I'm going to get him a T-shirt that says "It Was This Mouth That Got Me This Nose." He won't shut up, won't back down, and gets the shit beaten out of him as a result. Just now, literally as I am typing this, he is talking to me on facebook chat from the garage. Apparently he was at a party last night and it ended in a crackhouse and there were firearms involved or something? What that actual fuck? He's thirty two years old!

One of the things that really bothers me is that I freeze up. Once we got in an argument because he wouldn't stop putting his coat on the backs of the dining room chairs. I'd tell him to move it or put in on one of the hooks in the entryway myself and he'd get irritated. I told him that I didn't want it there and he asked me why all defensively, and I told him I just didn't, cue him being a total ass to me. When I was recounting the incident later to a friend, I said "it doesn't matter why! I could say, 'I need that chair because I'm going to make the dog sit on it while I teach him to sing show tunes' or whatever I want, and it doesn't make any difference. I don't have to give him any reason besides, this is my house and that's the way I want it!" And that's true. So why can't I say that to him?

I just freeze up when he gets mad, I think. I freeze up and I feel like the little girl I used to be, lying in bed and crying while I listened to them scream at each other.

So. I need some balls. I have them in other areas of my life, I swear I do! Help?

Thzumbazombiewitch · 31/10/2011 04:09

Throw. Him. Out.

Then deal with it after that. He is using you beyond belief and he will never grow up if he doesn't have to. And possibly not then either - but at least he won't be sponging off you and making your life harder than it needs to be. What does your DH think of him being there?

FearfulYank · 31/10/2011 05:36

DH hates scenes...the man is vair vair proper. That's the thing that annoys me, I can cause a scene with the best of them but not where my brother is concerned. Grr!

This has made me think of other areas of my life where I don't have any grit, and I think it's with myself if that makes any sense. For a long time I've wanted to lose some weight, to really get my house cleaned up. (I'm getting better with that one...but on a bad day it still looks like and episode of Hoarders.) I was thinking about that a few minutes ago in the shower. I'm always telling myself that I "deserve" to have a treat or that I "deserve" to laze around relax...I said to myself (out loud in the shower Blush) "No, you deserve to be healthy and strong and you deserve to have a house that doesn't make you panic!" I have to admit I repeated it to myself like a mantra while I was drying my hair.

And I just told my brother that he absolutely, seriously needs to begin washing his dishes for fuck's sake.

It's a tiny thing, but it's a start, to just tell him something straight out and not worry if it's going to turn into a huge thing, not try to joke about it.

I feel a tingle...do you think my balls are growing? :o

Thzumbazombiewitch · 31/10/2011 06:08

Nah, it's your vagina lengthening! (ref. Betty White - balls are soft as shit but vaginas stand some real bashing! [paraphrased]) [hgrin]

wheredidiputit · 31/10/2011 07:35

Just now, literally as I am typing this, he is talking to me on facebook chat from the garage. Apparently he was at a party last night and it ended in a crackhouse and there were firearms involved or something? What that actual fuck? He's thirty two years old!

FearfulYank this is going to be you garage/basement if you don't get him out soon. Do you realy want the police coming into your house for your ds to see, not to mention the type of people who go to crackhouses armed.

So what if he buggers of to who know where, as you say he 32 it all his choice.

Jacksmania · 31/10/2011 07:50

Oh sweetie. I'd say if there are illegals involved, he needs to get the fuck out, sharpish.

As for the other stuff - good for you. I, too, fall into the trap of "I deserve to laze around have a break", which means leaving vital stuff undone. No. I deserve to get my fucking act in gear so that my work-related paperwork can no longer send me into a panic attack. Let's support each other in this - procrastinators no longer!!

MakesCakesWhenStressed · 31/10/2011 08:02

Just wanted to mark my place offer support for those attempting to grow balls. I had to tuck mine firmly between my legs at the weekend or my in-laws would have lost limbs.

dawntigga · 31/10/2011 11:38

OK here are some coping strategies for you.

  1. DO NOT ENGAGE. You tell him he needs to do x this way and that's it. You do not need to explain yourself to him at all. It's your home need be your only response to any form of question regarding it.
  2. No is a complete sentence. From now on he gets himself out of whatever stupidity he got himself into. You text no or reply no and put the phone down. Switch the phone off if you need to.
  3. He pays his way - see above for responses.
  4. Do not back down, his patheticness is his issue not yours.

Nope, I don't expect you to do all of this straight away, you have had years of conditioning to respond in certain ways to this person so it will take time. Baby steps and you'll start to form the nubs of balls which will then grow into huge ones.

BTW I hate the whole grow balls things, balls are small and easily hurt. Now a vagina, that can take a pounding.

HereForYouTiggaxx

FearfulYank · 31/10/2011 16:33

Do not engage is a great one, Tigga. Thank you. It actually makes him the most angry, he loves to draw people into arguments and upset them. I will not let him do it.

I've realized that he undermines my attempts to change...when I talk about, as I said, losing weight or becoming more organized he's very derisive. He doesn't want me to change, does he? Because then that would mean that changing is possible and he'd have to do it. Or that he would, in fact, have to face the fact that HE is the fuck up. And my parents did manage to raise a "normal" child so the problem does not solely lie with them as he would like to believe.

For fuck's sake, this is much more dysfunctional than previously suspected.

I am all for Procrastinators No More solidarity, Jacks !

Jacksmania · 01/11/2011 04:22

Let me switch my wine to my other hand before we do that fist bump thing. otherwise that would be alcohol abuse.

FearfulYank · 01/11/2011 19:11

:o Jacks

Ok. I am going to talk to him today about when I would like him out.

I was talking to a friend today (she knows him as well) and she was talking about how he always complains that I don't do anything around the house (which is ridiculous, I do everything as DH works long hours), I never "let" DH do anything (again ridiculous, DH is a homebody and it's not fucking "babysitting" when it's your own child Angry ), etc, etc. I got really upset at first (though I know he thinks these things) and then I thought, you know what? It doesn't matter.

I used to always care because it's not true, for the reasons I mentioned above. And I wanted him to know it wasn't true, I hate when people think lies about me. (Not just him.) But it doesn't matter. First of all, it wouldn't matter if the house looked like something that would make Martha Stewart gnash her teeth in envy, and it wouldn't matter if DH flew to Vegas every weekend for "guy time." B would still find something to pick apart because, at the core of it, he's a deeply unhappy person. And he is living a pathetic life, but he doesn't want to change so he needs to make everyone else seem pathetic too.

And it just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what he thinks. It never has.

Also, I can accept him for who he is. He isn't going to change anytime soon and he isn't going to be the brother I wish he were. I can let our relationship be what it is...it just can't be what it is in my house.

Thanks, guys. :)

ChaoticAngel · 01/11/2011 19:32

Go FearfulYank :)

I can sympathise with the procrastination too. I'm the worlds biggest procrastinator Blush

Isla77 · 01/11/2011 20:08

Good luck to you. Your right in all that you say. Your db needs to move out but that does not mean you don't care about him. You just need to care at a distance IYSWIM.

gomummygo · 01/11/2011 22:00

Good luck, Fearful. Thinking of you, hope it goes as well as it can.

SHRIIIEEEKPoolingBearBlood · 01/11/2011 22:01

don't have time to read this thread so marking my place for tomorrow night :)

PreviouslyonLost · 02/11/2011 11:24

First chance to catch up in a couple of days FearfulYank...but you're sounding GOOD!

Will be around later tonight, good luck in the meantime Smile

MakesCakesWhenStressed · 02/11/2011 15:24

Just wanted to say that I think balls must be catching!

Normally I tolerate cold calls coolly but politely declining. Today when my insurers rang to offer us '3 months free breakdown cover' (which you then get charged for if you forget to cancel it) I not only told them no, but told them to take me off any list for future 'offers'. Hah!

Swipe left for the next trending thread