Dog off lead running at DD in park

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AIBU to have roared at man who said oh he won't hurt her.

My comments on his dog owning skills included the fact there is no sign on the dog to say he won't attack DD, the dog should be on a lead, sign as you enter park and the dog did not return/ respond when he called it.

His response was to tell me to shut up.

I hate dogs on the loose in the park.

Why do people seem to think the fact that some children and adults are anti social little shits, is a 'justification' for people allowing their dogs to be out of control?

Its a very odd line of argument. Its quite possible to think neither people nor dogs should inflict unwanted and unpleasant behaviour on others.

There are some reasonable posts from dog owners on here but I am still at a few who still think that if their (usually obedient) dog comes and nicks a sandwich from my picnic in the park, I should just smile sweetly and accept an apology. No I damn well wouldn't! I wouldn't trample over your picnic rug and steal your food, neither would I let my children do so - so don't let your animal do it to me.

Do teach your children not to run when they see a dog (if they're scared). Ds2 used to do that and as a result had every dog in the vicinity bounding after him thinking he was pkaying. His added wails made it even more exciting for dogs. I would stand there shouting 'ds2 STAND STILL'. He eventually learned.

My dog was a bit if a pita towards other dogs when he was a puppy - he'd try to play with every dog. He's learned and at the grand old age of 14 months is now more interested in his ball on the whole.

I prefer walking him on the beach - more room and fewer politics than parks! He will play with chikdren so I call him to me if I think he's going to try. He's friendly but a retriever so not a small dog and capable of sending children (or old people) flying.

Flatbread it seems you are one of those people who think the entire rest of the world is just playing a walk on cameo in your film. Letting a dog murder a rabbit is Bad. Letting a dog steal someonelse's picnic is Bad. Leaving a dog outside a restaurant so it can bother other people when they walk past is Bad. We are NOT all on this earth merely to provide learning opportunities for your dog. Your sense of arrogance and entitlement is astounding.

I do have sympathy for fear, I just dont think that being approached by a dog should cause a phobia.

However since you said I shouldnt have them I will get rid and return to the way things were round here.
My dogs are always under control, rarely in the park anyway despite it being at the bottom of my road as dog1 is dog aggresive and there are too many badly trained dogs that are allowed to approach her despitee me warning eople that she is dog aggressive. so we are usually to be found in the middle of nowhere having no ipact whatsoever on your life.

Actually, we are entitled to a stress-free environment - inflicting stress on other people, whether it's because you're playing music at 3am, or parking your car across someone's driveway, or allowing your dog to nick a sandwich or run up to a child who is obviously unhappy about it jumping around and barking is just plain antisocial.

Most normal, considerate people do everything they possibly can to ensure that their lifestyle choices don't impact adversely on other people. If that means keeping your dog on a lead or training it better, than that's what you should do, not take the easy way out by blaming everyone else for their lack of tolerance. Take some responsibility, ffs.

Sainty - I've taught mine to stand still and take no notice - because he used to get chased a lot too. Now he just glues his feet to the floor until they are gone. It works.

I'm just saying that more stringent regulations may well happen in the next 20 years or so if some dog owners show themselves unwilling or incapable of stopping their animals from bothering people who don't want to be involved with them at any level. Why should your ownership have a negative impact on me?
We are becoming an increasingly intolerant society and increased legislation is part of that. It is a response to nuisance and disruptive behaviour.
I have two teenagers who may be affected by a huge amount of the recent legislation that has come about, from bans on public drinking to loitering in groups to being called a problem in the parks because older people don't like teenagers in rather noisy groups because they appear scary. And massive hikes in car insurance.
If some things are seen as a problem, then others will look for a solution.
My teens think it is unfair, and feel they are blamed for the poor actions of a few of their generations. Doesn't make any difference to the bans on hoodies in shopping centres, or people glaring at them if they sit and chat in a group after 9pm.

I am not currently a dog owner and I do walk in an area where dogs are exercised with my 2 year old. I have to say quite often dogs run over to say hello and my son does get a bit scared but when they run off he then chases them (with me about 2 inches behind them).

The worst that has happened is a golden retriever big puppy who was so excited that his wagging tail hit my toddler in the face. I can't say I have screamed at anyone. The dogs are being dogs (and quite nice ones at that) and my toddler is being a toddler.

I'm not saying that dogs are all safe but I stay very close and will just pull a dog away if they are getting too excited. I also pick up my child if the dog looks scary (basically something I couldn't manage) or my son is unhappy.

Sorry about rambling reply but I do think you are being precious to be honest. Pick up your kid and move on.

Hear hear Maisie

But to stop what, exactly? A dog ran up to a child. Nobody was hurt, just very put out. I think the consensus is that dog should have been on a lead but mum overreacted too. You are far more likely to be attacked by one of your precious fellow humans (who used to be a child, we get it) than by a dog, and in the extremely unlikely event of a dog bite or attack it is almost always a known family dog, not a strange one. Dog control orders already exist, with fixed penalty notices for infractions. So what, we can't stop people from doing stuff we don't like so we'll just ban something else - something that doesn't have the slightest impact on the lives of most people, and for which legislation already exists in the rare instance it does?

Where do you live that your life is so heavily impacted by other people's dogs?

ditavonteesed You don't get it do you. I don't care whether you think being approached by a dog should cause a phobia. Because you are clearly an incredibly insensitive and selfish person.

Endoplasmicreticulum (love the name) - DS2 has gone to the other extreme. From being terrified I now find myself saying constantly 'ds2 will you get your hand out of the dog's mouth'

The op is talking about a location where dogs should be leashed. There were signs saying so. Therefore its entirely reasonable for people to walk there NOT expecting a dog to run unleashed at them

My dog can be a bit funny with other children and dogs, loves our boys thankfully!!!
But I always keep him on the lead because of this, unless I am at our big field where you can see if anyone is coming, so I can then put him back on!
Really annoys me too when people can't recall their dogs and are screaming their names but dog is completely ignoring them, KEEP THEM ON THEIR LEADS! Also children do come up to our dog because he is small thinking he is friendly so i have to explain that he can be a bit funny at times and try to tell them that not all dogs are friendly and want to be stroked! In America they have specially designed fenced in areas for dogs to be exercised in and socialise with other dogs (Caesar Milan dog whisperer) which is a really good idea, as like it has been mentioned dog poo is not good around children!

It's not a justification, callme, but Andrew seems quite resigned to the fact that people are anti social (but that's fine, we can't stop that, they're people) but the solution is simply to ban everything else he/she doesn't like.

And the dog didn't come to heel the instant it was called.

The man was clearly in the wrong. If he is as selfish and inconsiderate as that and can't control his dog then he has to accept that not everyone will be tolerant of his actions and that there will be people who will be very vocal in telling him exactly what they think of him. Rightly so.

Agree with Maisie. But also wish there could be a little more tolerance and moderation on both sides.

As I said, the rules and attitudes differ around the world.
When I lived on military bases abroad 30 or 40 years ago, there was a problem with owners of dogs being posted and abandoning their animals as strays, which then became feral packs. So every now and then, the guardhouse went on a shooting expedition. They'd post the times, so we had a curfew on hunting nights.
Now animal ownership on a base is much more tightly controlled and the hunting parties are a thing of the past. I think.
People will look for solutions if enough are angry about a problem. Responsible dog owners are the best defence against the implementation of laws and regulations that dog owners don't want. If there isn't a problem, then nothing needs fixing.

I am training my dog to be safe around other people, because i am considerate of other people. A well socialised dog is a safe dog for everyone.

I leave my dog outside when I cannot take her in. She sits quietly, but will accept strangers coming up to her and playing with her. She did not go up to the kid, the child came to her. And because I am a considerate owner, I have trained her to be ok with strangers fondling her. How is that not a good thing? If I was a selfish git, I would just let her be comfortable with me and growl at everyone else, there, no training required!

The sandwich nicking think is something we haven't experienced yet, but it could happen to any dog. Your kid waving a sandwich in her face may be a sign to her that you want her to take it. So, you don't have a spare sandwich when you go on a picnic? I mean, lighten up, this is part and parcel of life and not such a big deal, frankly as a dog owner it is my job to teach my dog to be safe around your kids (and yes, kids do come by on their own to touch and play with the dog) it would be nice if we could teach kids to be gracious around others. Hearing a parent shouting because a dog came close to precious kid can hardly set the kid on the right path for learning how to be a tolerant, gracious adult.

s a nanny I tell my charges they are never to approach or touch a dog without asking the owner.

Why do people assume that others have to like their dogs jumping and slobbering all over them if I wanted this I would get my own. I've had a dog try to shove it's head in my bag while I was waiting to get the bus to work and my lunch was in said bag The owner "said he's just being friendly" I pointed out I didn't wan't it slobbering all over my lunch and bag. How unreasonable of me! While in a picnic area with a no dogs sign an alsation jumped the fence and stuck it's head in our cool bag. I looked after a little girl who had been badly mauled by a passing dog just prior to my becoming her nanny and when I asked a woman to call back her dog explaining why the child was terrified. The silly cow said "well she needs to get used to them again, doesn't she!"

I do not hate dogs and have often walked one for my friend and worked in houses where they had a dog! but some owners seem to think they have a right to inflict their uncontrolled monsters on everyone else!"

Well this got fun didn't it!

Masie that was the main thrust of my point it was not an area for unleashed dogs and he did not have control of it.

His response to tell me to shut up was very adult.

I love dogs, but find that there are a lot of owners/walkers who haven't a clue how to control an animal. Recently in my local park I have seen a large dog (size of a pony) follow a Japanese tourist (eating a sandwich) along a path, jumping up at her to get the food. This was a good 5-10 minutes and she was clearly scated of the dog. It eventially grabbed the sandwich and she ran off. The bloody owner wasn't that far away and had effectively 'disowned' the dog and was actually chuckling about it to her friend.

A dog tried to bite DS in the face. He was standing talking to the owner and the dog, who had been sitting there doing nothing just lunged forward. Luckily my sixth sense was working that day and my hand went iut as it lunged forward. It got a mouthful of glove.

Then I saw a big soppy labrador jump up om a girl around 3 years old. She went crazy - screamng and crying. She was terrified and her father ran over. They were Arab - from a place where dogs aren't as popular as pets as here and he yelled at the owned to call her dog. Dog decided to jump up at her little brother (just toddling) and they both screamed even more. The dad went mad, yelling at the owner - he was scared of the dog too and the owners response was 'why don't you go back where you came from if you don't like dogs?' She was very snooty.

Then we got told off for feeding the ducks as this tit of a dog walker didn't want his 'charges' eating the bread. His bloody dogs were jumping in the water to chase the ducks and swans - even though there are signs up all over asking for dogs to be kept on a lead near the water. A few birds had been killed recently.

My heart sinks when I see the professional dog walkers. They can't conntrol ten dogs!

I don't know about that river. I think that there are enough intolerant souls in our society who would only be happy if things they dislike are entirely banned regardless of how responsibly or otherwise they are being used/owned. From some of the posts on here give the distant impression that they want to live in areas where there simply are no dogs/small children/teenagers/disabled people/fat people/drinkers/smokers/drivers/cyclists (add to the list as you think appropriate) I don't want to live in a world where we all have to confrm to one template of life style to be immune from litigation.

Flatbread- I am astonished by your sense of self importance. You really think everyone else should pack spare sarnies just in case an unleashed dog comes and pinches one?

As for 'waving a sandwich in the dogs face' - er no, its probably just that people picnicking expect to be able to lift a sandwich to their mouth without some idiots uncontrolled dog salivating over it. But of course in your opinion its the rest of the world who should 'lighten up' rather than you actually take control of your pet

Its a shame that thoughtless people with an ore inflated sense of entitlement give responsible people a bad name