to find pistonheads view of mumsnet funny!

[Beaverfeaver]

So it seems that the guys over on pistonheads are laughing at mumsnetters:

Feel free to see what they are saying here:

www.pistonheads.co.uk/GASSING/topic.asp?h=0&f=210&t=1069058&mid=0&nmt=Mumsnet

why do you care what they think though Fiercely? Surely most of us had never even heard of them before yesterday.

They are welcome to joke about handbags if they like.

But just in case any of them are still reading, here is a link to an excellent book about feminism.

This is very good too.

And this one is about porn so they might find it interesting, except it might be a bit too disturbing for them.

Oh my gosh Wo x14ppity that is so snortingly funny

Like a verbal knockout punch re: DC ^

Who the fuck do these so-called men think they are? Harrassing schoolgirls and grown women like they are some kind of objects to pass judgement on, let alone actually man-handling them - there is a reason for that turn of phrase. Joking about regretted sex, that is rape talk.

Fuck off men, with your vocal judgement and physical mauling. And if you agree with that sentiment, then stand up and support women instead of avoiding eye contact, looking at the floor whenever it happens and defending your cock-brothers on internet forums. Stand up and be counted,

Meh to your "I'm offended" stance, MrGin. You're either with us or against us on this issue. You are either deaf or ignorant. There is a vast swathe of men out there who think women are inconsequential, at best, How do you think they are best reached?

Love it

x-post (agree with Aye however)

Actually. I've really fucking had it with the whiners of the male variety. Fucking pack it in with the moaning about women and the faux men-are-all-rapists shit and deal with the men who pick on women. Check your own privilege and get your own house in order and pipe down about women, Can you even begin to pout yourself in a women's place vis a vis the seemingly ubiquitous expectation of men in terms of access to her body? Can you even begin to imagine what that is like?

Do you speak up when on a stag night, MrGin? Do you challenge your friends on their comments about women? Do you metaphorically pay your female friend on the head? Are you all of your sexual dealings honest, or is there some coercion involved? No need to answer on here, rhetorical only.

Well said Aye.

Some moron will come on and call you a man-hater now, of course.

Pout, heh. My imagination got away from me.

WMW seriously, you really come across as not really understanding what's going on. Carry on calling us all man haters if you want, I don't care really.

Au contraire, you've spent 200-plus posts here asserting that saying "All men are capable of being rapists" is both true and not offensive - but when I turn your own words round on 1 post to "All Feminsts are capable of being irrational man-hatesrz", did you yawn?

Indeed not! No, you went all all huffy and decried:

Sorry but anyone who declares that feminists just hate men, doesn't deserve to be seriously engaged with

...and various other furious (non-yawning) denials, accusations of not understanding etc etc.

Thus I think I understood what is going on perfectly well - you love to dish it out but don't like your own stuff handed back to you at all. I think Hypocrisy is the relevant term for this, and probably self-contradiction to boot.

'Tis a pretty petard I am sure, but you are still hoist upon it, however you may try and ignore it.

Your lesson, should you wish to learn it, is firstly the following adaptation of your own words:

Sorry, but anyone who declares that all men are capable of rape, doesn't deserve to be seriously engaged with

....and secondly, you need to understand that, if you wish to win friends and influence 50% plus of the human population to your point of view, then saying "All men are capable of rape" is as offensive to men and quite a number of women as you found the statement "All Feminists are capable of irrational man-hating" was to you.

You may now return to your slumbers :)

Thanks Elderberry you are right why should I give a stuff about a bunch of anoraks like that when the real issues are infinitely more urgent, ESP the effect that porn is having on young minds of both sexes. As a mother of boys I do my utmost to instil a sense of decency in them and am doing my best to preserve their childhoods but it's tough I must admit

OK, I'm on it now. I hope the dickheads are still reading.

Why is it that women are often left on their own when they challenge fuckwit behaviour from men? Why isn't anyone standing by their side?

Why do supposedly lovely men josh around with their fuckwit friends, making and/or not challenging near as damn it rape "jokes"?

Don't tell me they don't do it near you because I won't believe you.They do it near me, so they do it (and worse) near you.Get a fucking backbone, men, and understand what equality really is and support it, Properly support, by challenging. Not saying sexist stuff is not enough,

NarkyPuffin the Schroedingers Rapist blog is brilliant, I wish I'd read it 20 years ago. What struck me was how true this is : 'if you fail to respect what women say, you label yourself a problem'. So true.

All the statistics on rape & violence against women, the shameful 6% conviction rate, all the personal testimony about sexual assaults on so many MN threads, and some man comes on this thread and has dredged up one example of a woman being convicted of rape. One example Years ago. To make a point. Why?

I can never understand women hating on the Feminists, because they (we?) are doing it for you

They=feminists

That was so unclear, I just woke up.

What I meant was, I can never under stand why women give feminist posters grief on here when said posters are about their biggest supporters/advocates ever

Wooooooooooooooppity

Well that kicked off didn't it. Last I saw was early last night.

I think it's pretty unfair to say I haven't engaged with you and your mates. I just haven't agreed with you on every point. You all enter the discussion with one form of condescending comment or other just to set the tone, largely , in fact exclusively I'd posit because I'm a bloke.

Maybe you don't know you do it. If you go around thinking all men are potential rapists / killers / child abusers I guess it's easy to see why you might behave this way. Somehow I am the enemy it seems. Even though you know next to nothing about me..... other than my potential to be a rapist of course.

The fact still remains that if you ask the average person if they are offended by these type of comments the answer is yes. If I ask a few people their response just to test the water, it's dismissed as 'wank'. The fact that I find these comments offensive opens me up to accusations of being over sensitive and easily offended. I should get back to my mock GCSE apparently, I get the fuck off treatment.

Using your hospital analogy, yes of course a nurse or doctor is going to have to consider child abuse. But you don't say to parents 'you are a potential child abuser' or put a poster up saying the same, because they probably aren't . There is a difference between erring on the side of caution and making sweeping statements about social groups. Challenging sweeping statements about social groups is part of your remit no ?

If you want to challenge male attitudes to rape you're going to have to come up with a better way to get your message across than through causing offence and getting antsy when people actually get offended.

Otherwise the Pistonheads of the world will just pigeon hole you as 'mental'

Go on then mrgin

What would be the best way to get across the message that rape needs to stop? (i am assuming that rape =unconsented penetration with a penis, even if it belongs to an otherwise really nice guy.)

Can someone explain why anyone should give a toss what pistonheads, whoever they are, think? Are they terribly important?

From what I saw postonheaders do term us all as mental. There were sweeping generalisations on there such as "mums netters are mental, they're all on the blob, just had a kid or are menopausal.

Oh look, a man has spoken!

Whatmeworry, you've missed the point re: all men are potential rapists entirely.

All men possess a penis, yes?

All rapes are carried out by someone in possession of a penis. see here

Therefore, all men hold the tool that makes them potential rapists.

However, saying all men are potential rapists is not saying every man would rape given an opportunity. The dynamics of rape go deeper than that. All men may have the weapon that makes rape possible, but not all men have the lack of respect for women that makes rape possible. And here's the fucked up thing. You won't see that lack of respect until it's too late. Again, not every man with a lack of respect for women is going to rape.

If your son is raised to respect women, and their right to say no, and the concept of enthusiastic consent, and puts that into practice, he's a lot less likely to rape.

Is that really so hard to grasp.

And please show me one aspect of feminism which suggests feminists hate men? I don't mean a straw feminist arguement either. Funnily enough, a lot of us have sons, husbands, male friends, male partners, brothers, fathers, whatever... Do you really think we'd have all of those in our lives if we were such man hating creatures?