to find pistonheads view of mumsnet funny!

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So it seems that the guys over on pistonheads are laughing at mumsnetters:

Feel free to see what they are saying here:

www.pistonheads.co.uk/GASSING/topic.asp?h=0&f=210&t=1069058&mid=0&nmt=Mumsnet

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just people who get very ANGRY and froth at the mouth about small things..like semantics..and people feeding their kids a chocolate button.

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I'm not angry or ANGRY. None of my posts are filled with bile or profanity. I am allowed to argue my point you know.

'Thing is though, ginny, you might know that you will never ever be a rapist, but i don't, nor can i until you prove it'

So even though you'll never meet me I am labelled a potential rapist. Guilty until proved innocent.

no, you are not

Still not got the difference between (feminist) analysis and opinion, MrGin?

ffs Mrgin how the fuck are we to know, who is and who isn't???? drop that pearl of wisdom now and save a lot of people a lot of heartache.

Or are you offended by .... oh I don't know.... cos I insinuated you could save people heartache in the absense of proof that you can't .... or something

ah someone else come over to put the boot in

Ok ginny, let's say i meet you in a pub, or at work, in the gym etc etc... how am i meant to know you aren't a rapist? Men who rape don't advertise the fact.

Or are we back to the Kevin-and-Barry hornsnfangs school of thought?

I still want to know if you get offended by posters telling you not to drink and drive, when you are doubtless a blameless individual who wouldn't drink and drive anyway.

And I'm also still wondering if you are offended by the observation that all human beings are capable of murder?

That is a bloody fantastic link narkypuffin

Ah Wooooooooooooooppity, hello, I'll answer you question in a minute...

chibi. I fully appreciate the logic of assuming a man is a potential rapist. Which is why I personally go out of my way to make sure I don't put any woman in any sort of situation like that.

I object to it being stated as fact that I am a potential rapist.

Another Mner linked to it a while back. Just passing it on

but potential means 'has not happened yet, if ever' so whether it's assumed or stated as fact that I am a potential astronaut makes no difference.

Did you read the Shrodingers Rapist link, Mrgin, it's very good.

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(from link)'a man who ignores a woman?s NO in a non-sexual setting is more likely to ignore NO in a sexual setting, as well'

That is a very good way to judge what kind of person a man is.

And I'm also still wondering if you are offended by the observation that all human beings are capable of murder?

No I am not offended by this. However if someone stated ' you are a potential murderer' I would be a bit . As it is not in my nature.

Taking it further, if some said ' you are a potential child molester ' I'd certainly be offended. It is a revolting suggestion. I find it offensive. Despite understanding why a parent would not leave their child in my care if they didn't know me from Adam.

As for drink driving. No I would not be offended by someone telling me not to drive. If they said ' you are a potential drink driver ' I'd challenge it because I don't drink and drive or intend to.

Did you read the Shrodingers Rapist link, Mrgin, it's very good.

Yes, as stated in my post about 30 minutes ago.

So it is just that you think it's rude to say it, rather than thinking it's incorrect to think it?

You are personalising it with your examples above - nobody is saying to individuals that they could be .

But in a general objective conversation it's necessary to say 'A defined group of people are capable of this crime, even if most never would'.

It's like a venn diagram, there's really no way to narrow the subset of potential rapists til - well, til it's too late.

Which post? missed it.

Then I really don't understand your objection to the observation that men are potential rapists. They're talking about men as a group, not you as an individual.

Actually I wouldn't get offended if someone said I was a potential murderer or child abuser, I am. I'm just not an actual one and I don't think I'll ever be. What's to get offended about?

Obviously, if someone were saying it purely and simply in order to be offensive, then I might give them what they wanted by being offended (although I prob wouldn't be, I'd just think they were idiots and walk on) but if they were saying it as some kind of universal, generalist truth, it wouldn't bother me because they're right.

I just think some men are very touchy and slightly self-obsessed about this issue and society allows them to be. Apparently the excuse for not doing a public campaign targeting men was that they would be offended by it. But women's offence at being told not to be a victim (something they have no control over any way, so pretty pointless message and waste of public money) is utterly unimportant. We must never offend men though, that's much more important than the fact that 1 in 4 women are raped or sexually assaulted.

Wooooooooooooooppity

I just did a straw pole at work. I asked 10 people equal mix of sexes if they would be offended if I described them as a 'potential child abuser'.

every single one of them said yes they would be. they were quite adamant.

I'm going to leave this thread now. I think I've put up with more than enough abuse. It's just turned into a feminist thumping match.

If you can't understand why it's offensive to describe 50% of the population as potential rapists there is nothing I can say beyond what I've said over the last 24 hours.

don't slam the door on the way out