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Beaverfeaver · 26/10/2011 15:34

So it seems that the guys over on pistonheads are laughing at mumsnetters:

Feel free to see what they are saying here:

www.pistonheads.co.uk/GASSING/topic.asp?h=0&f=210&t=1069058&mid=0&nmt=Mumsnet

OP posts:
Wooooooooooooooppity · 27/10/2011 22:01

WMW seriously, you really come across as not really understanding what's going on. Carry on calling us all man haters if you want, I don't care really.

As to saying the battle's won, sorry, try being a young girl now. Boys of 12 and 13 are accessing violent, hate-filled porn, before they've even kissed a girl. Robert Jensen has described it as raising a generation of rapists (I suppose you're going to call him a man-hater now Hmm). I think I had it a hell of a lot easier as a young woman in the eighties (even though I was raped twice) than my DD's going to have it, with regards to sex and relationships.

Battle's nearly over? When there has been an explosion of porn, sex trafficking, misogynist backlash? When we're still paid 17% less? When it will take 400 years at the current pace, to get equal representation in parliament? When Miss World has come back, when sexism came back into fashion in the 90's with Nuts, Loaded et al, starting off as irony and then dropping the irony and just subsiding back into sexism?

Just because your battle might be over, don't assume that other women should give up too. I don't want my DD to be one of the 1 in 4 who will be raped or sexually assaulted or beaten up by her partner, I don't want her not to be able to pursue her career the same as my son will be able to and I don't want her to have to choose between functioning as a mother and a worker, I don't want her to think she's responsible for doing most of the housework, I don't want him to have to pretend to meet a model of masculinity imposed on him, I want him to be able to be himself. If you fought the battle and feel entitled to rest, good on you, go have a lie down if you like, thanks for your efforts. We'll carry on the struggle, it's not over by a long chalk.

LadyEvilEyes · 27/10/2011 22:12

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Wooooooooooooooppity · 27/10/2011 22:22

Do you realise how silly you sound? [hgrin]

My son is 12. Do you really think I see him as the enemy, just because he is male?

Seriously, what is the thought process that you go through, that makes you believe that wanting my 12 year old (and his sister) to live in a decent, humane society, which doesn't involve giving him a sense of entitlement to be abusive to other people on account of their gender, sexuality, race etc., makes me into a ranting raging hater? It's absolutely extraordinary that you can make the most offensive allegations of hatred, just because I have pointed out that women do not have the same status in society as men and I have pointed to examples that demonstrate that.

What is it about having those examples pointed out, that makes you think people who haven't got their heads in the sand, hate men? I'm really struggling to understand your logic. I'm still engaging with you even though you've personally insulted me, because I think it's instructive to see how abusive someone can become, when presented with feminist arguments.

LadyEvilEyes · 27/10/2011 22:37

Been there, done that my love.
As I said above. I've had an interesting life, I,ve seen the worst of men. I was a topless bar hostess in Amsterdam for a good few years, I also met total arseholes when I hitchhiked through Europe.
I think I'm possibly older than you and I only speak through my experience of life.
Sorry to sound patronising, but ffs can I just say again, chill.
Worst things happen than a few stupid men on a stupid thread.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 27/10/2011 22:38

How dare you be so vicious, LadyEvilEyes?

You know what, this whole "Let's bash the feminists" thing is getting just a bit tedious. We have enough battles on our hands without being accused of being man haters and bat shit crazy.

None of the feminists hate men. We had quite a lengthy dscussion about this a few months back. So will you please stop peddling that bloody myth? Several times it's been brought up over AIBU this evening, and it's getting a bit boring.

A lot of the things feminism has strived for has also had the benefit of improving things for men, too. Does that sound like man hatery to you?

We challenge rape myths, and in doing so diminish the idea that men rape because they're incapable of controlling their urges. Does that sound like man hatery to you?

We challenge gender stereotypes, thus making it easier for our DS's to say "well, I don't want to conform to societies expectations of me". Does that sound like man hatery to you.

Why the fuck are feminists blamed for all the man hating when most of it comes from the misogynists themselves?

ElderberrySyrup · 27/10/2011 22:42

I love the idea that there isn't truly a cause any more. Now that there is no pay gap, no sexism in schools, a decent number of women in Parliament, no domestic violence.... oh, hang on a minute!

Wooooooooooooooppity · 27/10/2011 22:47

You know, the problem with your "chill darlin'" posts LadyEvil, is that you haven't actually engaged with anything I've said or asked you, have you?

You've just completely ignored everything I've said. You are extremely abusive with no real arguments and you just tell me to chill when I ask you to examine what leads you to be so abusive.

I don't really know what more I can say about this, I'm concluding there's no point continuing to engage with you.

LadyEvilEyes · 27/10/2011 22:47

I give up.
I'm the calmest person in the world, being accused of being vicious is just silly.
I do know that through my experience in life, I've got an amazing son, who I never actually had to teach that his female friends were equal, he just got it.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 27/10/2011 22:48

Oh. And what Elderberry and Woooooooopity said.

Wooooooooooooooppity · 27/10/2011 22:49

You don't think that accusing someone of hating half of humanity and her own son, is vicious?

Oh...kay.

You obviously have different values to me.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 27/10/2011 22:51

You have just accused the feminists of being "rabid" and part of "the asylum"

You can be vicious and calm at the same time.

You may have been lucky with your son, or inadvertently taught him equality, but it was never taught in our household. As a result, I ended up in fucked up relationship after fucked up relationship, and my younger brother is pretty damn misogynistic.

LadyEvilEyes · 27/10/2011 22:52

Um Yup.
Obviously Grin
And goodnight.

MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 27/10/2011 22:53

a decent, reasonable bloke like MrGin can never win against your arguments, it's just a gang mentality

God forbid we disagree with Shock a reasonable bloke

Wooooooooooooooppity · 27/10/2011 23:00

LOL we don't know our place do we.

Laydeez, there's a reasonable man present - where are your manners? Where your red carpet? Where your cooing, your approving looks, your humility in the face of his greater wisdom?

[hgrin]

But the battle's over.

You couldn't make it up. [hgrin]

AyeDunnoReally · 27/10/2011 23:03

I don't think that some women realise how much some men hate women.

It's out there, In plain sight,

Think what you like about us all being equal. It's not really true,I'm not sure who taught anyone otherwise,

ElderberrySyrup · 27/10/2011 23:03

what I want to know is, you know this thing where a poster attempts to pull rank on another by saying she's older than them? How old does the second person have to be for it to not make sense? Do you think on Granset there are 80 year olds saying witheringly to 75 year olds 'I've been around longer than you, my dear, and have seen a lot more of life' in the hope the naive ingenue will properly defer to her experience?

Fiercelydoesit · 27/10/2011 23:06

Yeah battle over but war not won. Fights breaking out all over Aibu tonight. I put it down to Halloween

Wooooooooooooooppity · 27/10/2011 23:09

Fiercely, surely fights break out all over AIBU every night?

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 27/10/2011 23:11

Eurgh, the "I'm older than you" thing gets my goat, really does...

Reminds me of a conversation I had with my aunt last christmas, where I was kindly told I'd never make it as an author as I'm too young, and not experienced enough in my life...

DBil (and also a good friend) was sat next to me pissing himself laughing at the concept of me having not experienced enough in my life. Grin

Anyway...

Age does not equate to wisdom

AyeDunnoReally · 27/10/2011 23:17

MrGin, how's about you fight the men who perpetuate rape myths? Get on board with the MN campaign?

If you get too defensive about men and their access women's bodies, then you would be aligning yourself with rapists, and you wouldn't want that, would you?

What do you think when you read the "small sexual assaults" type posts? Do you challenge the men around you who do that stuff?

LadyEvilEyes · 27/10/2011 23:18

God how ridiculous are you.
I engage with everybody on Mn if the subject interests me.
Poor old MrGin, he dared to argue with the experts on being a woman.
Me too, for that matter.
I think I'm a woman, anyway, but I really don't think I fit the feminist demographic.
Hey ho.
By the way, don't you guys have your own thread.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon · 27/10/2011 23:21

Tut, those naughty feminists, out of the damn feminist topic.

How dare we...

Wooooooooooooooppity · 27/10/2011 23:21

Nah we're sick of all the trolls over there evil so we decided to come over here and bother you lot instead.

Bet you're grateful to the trolls eh?

Oh BTW mumsnet deleted your abusive post. Just sayin'

Fiercelydoesit · 27/10/2011 23:22

Yes fights are aibu's oxygen I guess woooooopity but felt that, given the initial nature of the thread my impulse was to offer a 'calm down dears' interjection, but probably would have been spat at. Can't bear the thought of those piston boys being vindicated in their thinking if they look where this thread has ended up. There will be lots of jokes about handbags next.

Wooooooooooooooppity · 27/10/2011 23:24

Oh I don't care what a bunch of pistonheads think of us.

David Cameron won't be going on there before the next election.

[hgrin]

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