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to think my 5yr old shouldn't be pushed around by teaching staff

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youcantparkthatthere · 21/10/2011 10:50

Hi First post, this has been niggling away at me for a week now. I recently attended a ceremony and my sons school which was been held in the local church. He is in a class of perhaps 16 children. As I watched the children file in I became increasingly annoyed at how one of the teaching staff was manging the children. it was clearly the childrens first time at one of these events and they were understandably unsure of what to do. Some of the children were going into the pew in front of or behind the one the teacher wanted them to go in. However the teacher/TA's response to this was to repeatedly, and IMO, too roughly take hold of the children and physically direct them into their intended seats. We're not talking here about a guiding hand on their shoulders, more like two hands firmly on their shoulders abruptly turning them in the desired direction and pushing them into their intended place.
To me this is quite clearly using physical force to get a child to comply with instruction, as distinct from a reassuring physical guidance. In my line of work, social worker, this would be considered a breach of the children's act and consequently illegal. Similiarly if any of the staff I managed conducted themselves in this way, I would at the very least be forced to issue them with a formal warning.
I'm not a bleeding heart liberal, I believe children need very clear mangement and a sense of no meaning no, (along with yes meaning yes, i.e. keeping promises etc). The main thing that is getting to me is the fact that I'm sure the school would discourage the children behaving like this to one another, so the adults should be modelling this in their own behaviour.
I feel I need to speak to the headteacher but I'm worried this will either be blown out of proportion or minimised. I also dont want my son standing out in a small school as the child whose Dad interferes/overreacts.
Any thoughts. It pisses me of that people think they can negate childrens right to respect and civility just because their small.
In the spirit of fairness I should declare that I find the woman in question very cold and somewhat abrupt with the children, in stark contrast to the rest of the school team, (wholly unsuited to her job imho!)Sorry if too long.

OP posts:
Vickles · 21/10/2011 14:10

thanks everyone... was having a pretty boring time on netmums.. then logged into this thread... brilliant! rock on mumsnet!

ohanotherone · 21/10/2011 14:12

I didn't like the way my sons headteacher was with me or my son, her attitude also didn't seem right. I work in social services too! It was in a small school and everyone said what a great school it was. After one and half terms I had to take my son out of school due to an abusive incident. After I had taken him out of school I found out that she shouted at and humilitated certain children, to quote one mum "made their life hell" and had been doing so for a number of years and several other children had also been taken out of school for similar reasons. The Govenors were too scared of her to tackle her. So for all the people flaming the OP I will say that children should be treated with respect especially at primary level where good role models are paramount and the teachers behaviour should be tackled as it is unprofessional.

higgle · 21/10/2011 14:16

If older people were physically directed in the way OP describes there would certainly be a safeguarding issue to be investigated. I work in Social Care and would be very concerned indeed to see this done, total lack of respect for the children.

NorfolkBroad · 21/10/2011 14:16

I teach little ones and have never felt the need to manhandle them roughly to direct them (by the collar, pushing people into place etc) and I have participated in umpteen harvest festivals and nativities. I can't stand seeing people yanking children about. It's NOT necessary at all.

TheGhostOfMrsWembley · 21/10/2011 14:22

I haven't seen any flaming, just a little gentle mocking. The OP did admit his second post was a little Blush.

And there is a big difference between a harassed teacher shepherding children to various areas of a room slightly more roughly than she might do under different circumstances and abuse.

ohanotherone · 21/10/2011 14:22

Also years ago, my mum noticed my nephews headteacher (in another school) put his arm around a girl and she pulled away. She wasn't comfortable about that and called the police. If she'd posted on here and received the same response as the OP she probably would have decided that actually she was massively overreacting. That headteacher turned out to be a paedophile and he ended up in prison for the abuse of children so I feel that if OP who is a competant professional feels it is wrong, it probably is. I would speak to the headteacher and explain concerns.

youcantparkthatthere · 21/10/2011 14:22

I think I could do with a lesson in writing succinctly from ohandanotherone
Thanks for taking the post seriously and in the spirit it was intended.

Okay okay, I submit came accross as pompous, that doesn't change the basis of my concern, naively thought MN would have seen beyond that rather than just wade in with the insults.
What she done was plain wrong, how I said it first time round wasn't the best, third posting made it clear but still the vile comments. I can imagine many of the posters are the kind of parents who probably think it's okay to hurt and intimidate children in order to get them to behave. Let's be clear IT'S NOT OKAY TO PUSH CHILDREN AROUND, not even your own

OP posts:
ShirleyKnot · 21/10/2011 14:27

That was a bit rude wasn't it OP? You know the bit about the people who disagree with abusing their children to get them to behave.

Naughty, naughty! I'd call that a "vile comment". Silly billy!

ShirleyKnot · 21/10/2011 14:27

disagree with you*

LeBOOOf · 21/10/2011 14:28

If there are any vile personal insults, or you see posts condoning of child abuse, do click on the report button and they will be removed.

SuePurblybiltFromBitsofCorpses · 21/10/2011 14:29

Vile comments?

scottishmummy · 21/10/2011 14:30

You're pompous and preachy,no one,absolutely no one said it's ok to push children around. So do ease up on the capitals and stating the bleeding obvious.tbh your writing style is very how dare you/they do you know fully qualified am I...

And you'd did get a serious procedural answer,as I said
Write to ht,retain copy,contact school safeguarding lead and report

But don't get all indignant and harrumphy on mn as if you're the crusader and everyone else makes vile comments

Bearskinwoolies · 21/10/2011 14:44

Unfortunately OP, Mnetters don't come equipped with the ability to read your thoughts - if you write a post that has you sounding pompous, you will get replied to accordingly.

I would give you a Biscuit but that would be vile

TheGhostOfMrsWembley · 21/10/2011 14:45

youcan't, you really need to read few threads on AIBU to understand that what you have here is, I repeat, gentle mocking. No 'vile comments' that I can see at all!Hmm

May I say on behalf of most Mners here, Get A Grip!Grin

Feminine · 21/10/2011 14:47

I can see what op was getting at.

karma put it very well.

What happened to you op is what always happens if you post here (as a new member) and get happen to get one of the more established wound up!

It will derail... and your efforts will be mocked.

Hang around though...this was not a proper flaming! Grin wait till you stumble across one of those...

scottishmummy · 21/10/2011 14:51

thts tosh and too sinister feminine.he got called on his post
and called posters vile in response. classic rattle oot the pram

NorfolkBroad · 21/10/2011 14:54

Can I just ask, probably being thick but what does it mean when people write meh?!

SpringHeeledJack · 21/10/2011 14:55

it's sorta likea shrug, Broad

but verbal

I think Lisa Simpson invented it

NorfolkBroad · 21/10/2011 14:57

Oh thanks!

Feminine · 21/10/2011 14:58

scottish but it does come across as vile ,when you are new...its a shock!
love
Feminine ...the "sinister" poster x Grin

SpringHeeledJack · 21/10/2011 14:59

it sometimes looks a bit vile when you've been around for a while, also

scottishmummy · 21/10/2011 15:01

youre getting it wrong youre not sinister feminine
its sinister to suggest in basis on newness,people repsond ina vile way

Hullygully · 21/10/2011 15:02

I was kind.

Even though I shove my dc to make them go down the offy for my Special Brew and fags.

Violence and kindness are sometimes unexpected bdefellows. Think on.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 21/10/2011 15:06

OP YAstillBU.... If you'd really been that upset you'd have leapt from your seat at the Harvest Festival (or the Wonder of Wheat Expressed Through Dance or whatever passes as a 'ceremony' at a local church these days) and objected at the time. Not wait a week ruminating on the ins and outs of the children's act and what constitues reassuring physical guidance.

Feminine · 21/10/2011 15:09

Oh...Thanks for explaining scottish

love Feminine ...the poster who in a bit of a sinister way suggested mocking can happen to new members!

x

Did I get that right? Grin

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