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to think that i have been a very bad mum

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onetoomanytoo · 10/10/2011 23:33

ok, this is a bit tongue in cheek,
but here goes

the bad bits :
i smoked( 5 a day) while i was pg
i drank, ( one very rarely) while pg
dd was born weighing 6 lb 4 oz
was told she was very small and would always be slightly under the norm
i formula fed
no brest feeding
she slept in her own moses basket and then cot from birth,
we didn't do, baby wearing, blw or ec
if she cried we left her too it
she had baby rice at 3 months
she was left to sleep in the car if she happened to be there, ( always one of us nearby)
at age ten she was ridng her pony on her own, in the woods,
at ten she was crossing a busy main road, on her own to get to said pony
at 12 she was riding said pony on the roads ( having passed her riding and road safety exam)

the good bits :

she is now 18
is she beautiful
she is taller than me and i am 5ft 7in
she is at college doing a science based diploma
she is going onto uni next year to do a science based and very hard degree.
she is clever
she is sensible
she is road smart
she is people smart
she excels in her chosen very physical sport
she has no allergies
she has no food tolerences

so, my observations, did the good bits happen because of or inspite of the bad bits?

none of this is stealth boasting, i promise you, just some musings from my odd brain

OP posts:
starrywillow · 11/10/2011 21:56

I'm not so sure about the factor thing. It might be true. Factor 15 means you can go out in the sun in it fifteen times as long as you could without any protection, so if you would burn in fifteen minutes without anything, fifteen times fifteen is... maths isn't my strong point but fifteen times four is an hour so four hours for factor fifteen.

AngryBadger · 11/10/2011 21:56

StephenFry - if you are looking for more info about the SPF debate then you can type "Nhs choices what factor sunscreen" into Google then it will lead you to a nice little overview of recent research and the way it was (wrongly) reported in the press.

Also, the weaning guidelines certainly have not been set at 6 months and over for 'at least 10 years'! But I'll let you research that by yourself.

Marianne - just to clear this up - I don't routinely leave my babies to cry it out. I did use controlled crying with my first, for one night (and it worked). I didn't need to do it with my second as she loves sleeping! I also went to both of them whenever they needed me, cuddled whilst sleeping etc. and still do. It might seem bizarre that I was able to work thus around Gina Ford but I actually took what I wanted from that routine and ignored everything else.:-)

starrywillow · 11/10/2011 22:03

Gina Ford and breast feeding cost me far too many tears but she does a lovely lullaby cd and book. :)

However, that's beside the point.

And babies weren't left to cry because their parents were mean, but because their parents were told to do it.

Nevertooearlyforcake · 11/10/2011 22:03

I followed my instincts with my DDs, sometimes left to cry sometimes not, sometimes for entirely the right reasons and sometimes because I was so tired, leaving to cry to sleep for a while was the best option for both of us. Take advice on the basics and trust yourself. My DDs were in nursery from 7 and 20 months - good nursery, loving parents, I think it's ok.

MarianneM · 11/10/2011 22:21

"And babies weren't left to cry because their parents were mean, but because their parents were told to do it."

Yes, but now we (should) know better!

Stay123 · 11/10/2011 22:29

I get what you are saying and you are talking sense. My mum smoked 40 a day when she was pregnant with me and I am fine. I didn't breast feed my babies for various reasons, blocked ducts, very painful, and felt awfully guilty but they are both fine and and as fit as any breastfed children. Have a few friends who breastfed their babies when I couldn't and now their kids get every bug under the sun and mine are fine. I have had some nasty comments along the lines of "it's not fair, I breastfed and you didn't and your kid doesn't get ill". Nice.

MrsStephenFry · 11/10/2011 22:32

You might get your research from dr google, I prefer peer reviewed journals. And you might want to have another read because thats not actually what the meta analysis says.

onetoomanytoo · 11/10/2011 23:30

gosh, so many posts to answer,
so i have donned my hard hat to return and try to answer a few questions

fisrtly, the smoking, i did try very very hard to give up, nothing more i wanted to do really, but found it so stressful, that on both my doc and midewife's advice i managed to cut down from 40 a day to 5 or less, the stress was causing my blood pressure to go sky high and it was felt that a couple of cigs a day were better than ott bp. and yes, thinking has changed now a days.

ok, molly coddling was perhaps the wrong phrase to use, was trying to think of a phrase perhaps our grandmothers might have used.

i wasn't boasting, or bragging, and i did pose the question, did my daughter grow up well because, or inspite of the things i did wrong and right.

re the baby rice, i did not wean her at 3 months, let alone 3 weeks, as someone said, she had small amount of baby rice in some of her bottles, on the advice of my hv because little one was hungry, would drink bottle after bottle of milk and then have the most awful colic, and i mean, poor little thing was doubled up and screaming in pain.

and i never, at any stage left a filthy, unchanged, hungy baby to cry, i left a changed, clean, well fed, warm baby to cry, and not for hours, i just didn't pick her up everytime she even wimpered.

wibble, i find your post offensive in the extreme, we are not posh, we are not rich, my daughter had a pony, we scrimped and saved to allow for that, i used the pony and the riding as an example of allowing my child the freedom to explore, to grow, to mature, to learn self relience, is that such a bad thing.

brest feeding, i wanted to bf her, but after several days of trying, the pain, the frustration, the howling baby, the starving baby, led me to use a bottle, again on the advice of the mw, it wasn't something i did lightly,

mrs deveree, i am sorry, i don't know your story( except the gym/ bungalow/ planning story), and none of my posts were aimed at you, if my posts have caused you any pain, i am truly sorry.

insecure, defensive, no, not at all, as i said in my op, it was merely musings.
yes, i have been made to feel bad about some of the choices i made, not by mumsnetters, but by people in real life.

i find the comment that my daughter might have done a levels rather than a diploma if i had looked after her better really rather nasty, she took a levels, but had a very hard time at 6th form, she was badly bullied proberly by people just like you ( that is aimed at the poster who said it) she actually got fairly decent results, but, chose to go on to do a diploma to better her chances to get into uni. she has mostly self funded through college, and will do the same at uni, although, she will get the loans and hope to pay them off once she has her degree and starts work.

my daughter has great empathy, is sweet natured ( most of the time), is brave, happy ( again, most of the time) and is a credit to herself. i fell justly proud of her sporting abilities especially as she has overcome quite severe birth deformities ( deff not my fault, inherited from her dad, and that was medically confirmed by her peads ortho)

the op was tongue in cheek, i did say that at the begining, i wasn't standing in judgement of anyone else, or how they do things, it was more an observation on how things change, and how some things we do can not change or influence the outcome. and yes, it was about not sweating the little things, if i have missed anything out, i'm sorry, i am not trying to avoid any one's questions,

and, for the record, i was a part time stay at home mum, part time working mum, and as to my spelling and punctuation, that is deff not my fault, i am dyslexic.

OP posts:
fedupofnamechanging · 12/10/2011 08:28

Lots of people used to put a bit of baby rice in the bottle to satisfy very hungry babies, on the advice of HV's etc. I don't think you did anything 'wrong' there - people weren't advised to do otherwise at the time.

People make a lot of breastfeeding, and if it works for you, then that's great. But if it doesn't, I think it's better to have a mother who isn't stressed out and in pain. Contrary to what some people would have us believe formula is not poison.

Pagwatch · 12/10/2011 08:37

Ok.

Wel to answer the question "did my daughter grow up well because...."
The answer is neither. To be honest the answer is almost entirely luck..

Most parents just doing their best. We try to listen to guidelines and yet we adapt to our lives, our own upbringing and our instincts.
But the bad things that happen may be caused by bad decisions.
But mostly luck
And our happy healthy children may be assisted by our good decisions.
But still lots of luck.

peterpan99 · 12/10/2011 09:39

my only issue would be the smoking! why anyone would smoke when pregnant i dont understand!
I smoked as much as OP but when i found out i was pregnant i quit. Straight off the bat, and it wasnt hard because i had something much more important than my own wanting to care about!
i'll happily admit that now im not pregnant it is a struggle to not somke but i persevere.
Its selfishness not addiction that stops you from quitting for your child.

thefirstMrsDeVeerie · 12/10/2011 10:13

I am sorry.
It was a knee jerk reaction and I shouldnt have done it.

My DD was my first and so was probably the one that got the benefit of the most pfb 'attentioness'. But being the oldest and my first she also got the 'benefit' of the most outdated advice and cackhandedness.

Weaned v.early. No organic food because it wasnt widely available, sterlized everything till she was 1 year old, bf for 6mths, not a morsel of sugar passed her little lips for years but probably lots of other hidden stuff that was just as bad for her because food wasnt clearly labelled.

Never poorly apart from one bout of croup and a few colds.

12 years old - cancer - 14 years old -dead.

All we can do is the best. A bit of baby rice wont kill them as long as we are sensible, early weaning is not something I would advise but unless we are talking 8 weeks with chocolate pudding (as my SILs did) I wouldnt comment on it.

Enjoy them, love them and do your best. What else can you do?

AngryBadger · 12/10/2011 11:32

FirstMrsDeVeerie,

I am so so sorry to hear what happened to your daughter, I can understand why the original post would have upset you and it's perfectly understandable that you reacted to it.

I get the impression that hugs are not allowed on mumsnet - but I'm sending you one anyway.

Also,it was lovely of you to apologise.

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