to find some people attitudes, such as "i work hard i deserve it" really sickening

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was reading some magazine in the dentist, there was a woman from dragons den iin the mag.
saying how she had a wardrode worth 3 million.

and she went onto say well i work hard for it.
so ideserve it.
and something todo with she sees her expensive clothes as a symbol of how sucessful she is.

really made me feel sick, how a horrible nasty attitude to have in life.

i'm sure even if i was a millionaire, i would not be proud about spending that much on clothes.

i don't know its just the arrogant im entitled to this that got me.
and dont they think people how have less also work hard. probably alot of them work alot harder

what do you think

Well if thats how you feel I will assume you home educate your children.

As a matter of fact I do.

So which teacher training course did you go on glean such an insight?

Sounds like a pretty standard working week, Sovery.
Rose, I wouldn't go near a British teacher training course with a bargepole.
I'll ask some questions now?
Are you a teacher?
Where did you train?
Is someone reserving you a place in Heaven?

I consider it standard that a white collar job not based in your own home entails leaving the house early, doing preparation at night and some w/end work.
You do of course have about 3 months holiday as well-unlike most people.

Yes, that three months holiday would be spent doing lesson plans, doing the essential reading and making relevant notes. Teachers do get holidays, but some spend a significant amount of said holidays, working.
I think you are being incredibly rude.

Gosh, no.
Anon
Its' a given

Curiously reticent now eh Rose?
You know what they say about folk like you don't you?

Dawn, as if teachers are spending 3 months planning and preparing!!
Do teachers really believe that people swallow this nonsense?

As I said Moondog, you really are being incredibly rude. Yes I have been a teacher, and I know what I, and my colleages did.
I no longer wish to partake in this discussion. The arrogance displayed is a little boring.

@Moondog
My School is in a socio-economically deprived postcode area. We have the highest Contextual Value Added in our County. All colleagues at my level (Head of Faculty / Year) work 70 hours + in term time. I manage ten people, run three core subjects, manage the offsite visists risk assessment programme, organise the International School Award activities which include funded visits overseas for which we bid, run the BTEC quality assurance programme, supervise two PGCE students per year, have a vertical form group including six nationalities and am a School Governor on the Welfare and Curriculum Committees. I spent two weeks in Germany this summer holiday to refresh my German, took students to Ceuta (N Africa, Spanish territory) in my Easter Holiday, hosted an exchange visit of Swiss students to our families in Summer, and passed two exam. board tests at Level 3 (A-level) to be Lead Internal Verifier for our programmes to support my team and our students.

I think I deserved the three weeks off I've had so far this year, especially as I'm off to Italy in Half Term to work with our partner schools on the next European bid.

I could not do all of this without a wide skillset including fluency in three languages, touch typing, HR management, risk assessment & child protection updating, time management and resilience skills.

I have no colleagues who are less able or hard-working than myself, and many who work even harder.

Sorry if that's not good enough for your DC, I hope you are able to provide them with everything we offer our students via our combined efforts ?

Moondog - How do you home educate your children and work full time?

The sneering at Xenia's marital status is a bit unecessary. I work part-time, my husband's salary now greatly outstrips mine. I like working part time, I feel I have been very supportive in helping him get to where he is now.

However, the fact remains that he's the one with the high paying job, not me. Were he to decide to leave me (and I've read the Raltionships board too often to say never on that one), I would be able to manage, but I'd have a huge drop in income with all that it entails.

That many women are in this situation, that pretty much only women are in this situation, is something we should think about, rather then crowing about what happy marriages we have.

Those upthread talking so adoringly about how hard their husbands work, round the clock, all hours etc, your husbands can only work like this because you don't and you are prioritising their career over yours.

Tbh, rather then glorifying those who work hugely family unfriendly hours, we should be looking towards work/family balances for all, so that more women have a chance to particpate and get to the highest levels.

I don't agree with moondog about teachers not working hard but I do agree about the poor quality of teaching training philosophy in the past, though haven't things changed rather?

I've found myself that a couple of hours of one on one actual teaching in a day brings a child well beyond the academic levels achieved in primary and the rest of the day can be spent on fun fun fun or teaching through cooking or modelling or some such. I haven't home educated but I have home tutored for exams after keeping the children off school to prepare for same. My son learned more in a week about maths than he had in a whole year at school.

I think it's not fair on the children of parents who can't bring their kids up to scratch because they lose out. We've ended up with an elite (of educated , informed and involved parents) passing on knowledge to another prospective elite (their childre) which is why social mobility crashed and burned under Labour. Education is the engine of mobility, not x factor or house prices or welfare, and Labour screwed it up mightily.

Teachers and shop assistants and parents at home work very hard. I do think though that they don't know how terribly hard some others work. I do n't think it's desirable to work riidiculous hours and it's not a competition BUT the fact sovery thought those hours leaving at 7.30 back at 6,.30 was somehow hard shows that teachers and lots of others (certainly by no means only teachers) don't know how hard people in the City etc work.

It is no good for anyone but one of my children has had months of working every day from being at work at 7.30am to about 10pm to 1am and thinks they earn less than the minimum wage at times because of the hours. Sometimes all night. However those in their 20s (or any age) out of university doing that know perfectly well that's the "pact with the devil" in a way. They have friends working 8.30 t o 5.30 who ultimately in many cases will earn a lot less so no one goes into this blind and they all take their choices. As there are tons of unemployed graduates who would nearly kill for those jobs they realise they are lucky. A lot of entrepreneurs do long hours too.

I had a phase of getting up at 5am on Saturdays to do 2 hours work before the baby twins were up to breastfeed at 7am.

This thread has covered some intersting issues from why do so many many women play second fiddle to the man's career and end up in effect in "service" to what is "hard work" . I was thinking in bed this morning though about how in recessions more so than any other times it is best in most contexts not to "show off" and in fact it's always been not the done thing for the English to say I Have £xm of ABC. You don't talk about money really. It can be worth telling people though that women can work hard, earn a huge amount and have a family and that that is a choice and possibility. It's particularyl important to tell girls from families where women never earn much more than they would serving in Tesco if they have a job that that is piossible and it's vital to tell them that very hard work which never did anyone any harm (unless it's over the top) and is heaps easier than being a 24/7 parent to 2 or 3 very small children who don't sleep, is often part of the key of that. That starts when you're young even before GCSEs.

Anyway it's Sunday so a working day and just after 7am. I have already got out a bit of work and will start it now. Of course for me working in the house today with 4 +1 asleep upstairs and work I like it's not onerous at all. I'd rather do my work which is like being paid to solve jigsaw puzzles at times than clean the floor (although I have already got the dishwasher on) . First task is some some bills though so that's not quite so intellectually challenging but given so many peopl ehave no work at all I am terribly lucky to have it to do.

I agree with Blueberties, very strongly, and with Moondog. Those children who have highly educated and involved parents, who are prepared to HE to fill in the gaps of state school education, flourish (albeit with tired parents who are either irritated at the poverty of their children's school experience or have a massive hole in their bank balance) educationally. Others have a much more difficult time.

Social mobility is very hard to achieve in such circumstances.

I do agree with Xenia on what hard work is and I have touched on that earlier in the thread.

I think this thread shows that most people work frighteningly hard, be they teachers, carers, lawyers, or raising a family at home. It certainly has made me feel pretty lazy!

Xenia you are astonishing. I think you are unusual (bloody hope so).

My husband is like Xenia - he absolutely loves his work and will often tap on the laptop early on a Saturday/Sunday morning. The flip side is unlike many men he can decide to stop work at 3pm to do the school run. This isn't a gender thing really, some people are absolutely devoted to their work and genuinely enjoy it this much. I enjoy my job but am quite happy to do 9-5 and then forget it till tomorrow. Lots of men are like me too.

And I don't understand why anyone would hope Xenia is unusual.