to find some people attitudes, such as "i work hard i deserve it" really sickening

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was reading some magazine in the dentist, there was a woman from dragons den iin the mag.
saying how she had a wardrode worth 3 million.

and she went onto say well i work hard for it.
so ideserve it.
and something todo with she sees her expensive clothes as a symbol of how sucessful she is.

really made me feel sick, how a horrible nasty attitude to have in life.

i'm sure even if i was a millionaire, i would not be proud about spending that much on clothes.

i don't know its just the arrogant im entitled to this that got me.
and dont they think people how have less also work hard. probably alot of them work alot harder

what do you think

She does deserve it , she has worked hard and she has the money so why not? It s mo ey going in to the economy amd what is she meant to do? Wear primark so other people feel a bit better.

Lots of people do work hard and some people work extremely hard get a buisness of the groun d and become rich which is a amazing feat and one to be admired not scorned
tbh your op sounds more like jealousy than amything else.

I work with entrepreneurs a lot. Most people know how hard they work to build up a business. I work pretty hard too. All the characteristics above are true. Also most people who start businesses file,. Plenty fail and then start again and succeed but some neve r succeed so the few who do make money are quite rare.

I don't think most women spend too much on clothes but some do and had they put that clothes money into a business or even what they waste day to day on meals out and coffees in Star Bucks they might be better off.

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Amusingly when I go next month it's not to lie in the sun but to do an environmental project and clear plastic off the beaches so perhaps that is the entrepreneur on holiday.... Even Branson doesn't just sit back on his island but lets it out.

Nothing wrong with being a high-earner or an entrepreneur at all and I understand that people work hard - I work hard and like to think I set a good example to my DC about women's ability to achieve. However, I seriously struggle with the fact that in this day and age people are still starving, living in filth, dying in childbirth and denied access to clean water. Then when I hear someone bragging about spending 3 million on clothes (FFS!) I get a bit . This thread wasn't about whether people should earn high wages, or whether they deserved those wages, it was about discomfort with conspicuous consumption and the 'because I'm worth it' mentality.

I can't do better than LeQueen - that is exactly as it is with my DH and his colleagues.
The lack of understanding of what makes someone successful, the attitude that it boils down to luck is staggeringly naiive.

My DH gave up a very well paid job to start out by himself when our youngest was three weeks old. The sheer guts it takes to even contemplate such a risk is immense.
Luckily for him, his relentless hard work has paid off and he now runs someone else's company for them, Still works as hard but without the personal risk.
My BIL bangs on about how lucky we are. He has never been known to be home a minute after 5.30 or leave a minute past 8.30. Absolutely fine. But he can't grasp that that will never make him money.

People's differences are fascinating xenia

DH is a successful businessman and employer. When on holiday, to an island sadly, not our own, he spends the time flat out on a sun lounger albeit in regular contact with staff and clients and with an eye on the markets.

But you're right in that people like him and you are always busy. His busyness on holiday takes the form of joining a gym for our stay and running.

I recognise the picture that business people as a type are hard-working, inventive and driven. I agree with you that sadly that doesn't always equal success.

What I don't recognise, and I don't think it's you who said it, is that successful people always take risks, indulge in drama and usually have business failures behind them.

Some do. Some don't. There are lots of different ways of running your life. For instance, I'm a born employee, but my career is a good one.

Anyway, enjoy your holiday.

"When on holiday, to an island sadly, not our own"

Obviously, I'm not sad about staying on an island. I'm just sad that I don't own it.

Lots of solo entrepreneurs (rather than those who rose up the ranks at Shell or whatever) do have business failures behind them. YOu certanily don't need drama. You have to be able to take some measured risk. Leaving a secure job to found you own company is risky.

The showing off element is just a bit nouveau riche. I don't watch television but I assume she rose from the working classes and then they do tend to go in for photos of themselves draped over their cars ( if male) and I suppose going on about £3m of clothes if female. It's probably just a class difference.

there seems to be a belief if person A earns x10 as much as person B, this is only fair if they work x10 'harder'.

i can run a max of about 10 km. if i run against someone far fitter, they could run many mutliples of me. an ultra marathon runner can cover 250km. that is x25 my max distance.

why can they run x25 my distance:

1. they prioritise it more
2. they dedicate more time
3. give up other things
4. practiced

etc etc.

so have the tried x25 harder, during a single run? no. but they have ALWAYS tried harder than me. probably

so i not think person A works x10 harder in any day, but generally i think person A has worked many times harder, at their career, over their lifetime.

Yes, it is probably more of a priority for some people than others. I hate shopping. I never go. So time spent on that I probably have given instead to the children and work. Diott hair dresses, never go.

One of the youngest children talked this week about working smart not hard and there's sense in that. If I can earn in an hour what is the minimum wage for a week which I think is just about accurate and I enjoy what I do then that's fairly smart working.

Well, on a very pragmatic level millionaires spending their money keeps the economy going. Maybe without it we'd be in deep negative growth rather than stagnant.

I think it is safe to assume that people who have made their own fortunes are working at least smarter, if not harder, than people who haven't.

"You have to be able to take some measured risk. Leaving a secure job to found you own company is risky."

I completely agree. Especially with the word measured.

But the idea that running a business involves 'risk' without any qualifying factors is misleading and not something we would see as good business practice.

He doesn't have any businesses failures behind him. That's both luck and good judgement.

If this business failed I'm sure he'd try to start another. How successful that might be would be dependent on the prevailing economic climate which would be out of his hands.

Millicent - Your BIL sounds like my FIL. Moans he doesn't get paid enough but never ever works a minute more than necessary! That he's not rich is life's fault apparently. DH also well paid director about to make a leap into the unknown!

Yup Xenia definitely a class thing. Noveau riche bang on about clothes, old money bang on about (is)lands

"Well, on a very pragmatic level millionaires spending their money keeps the economy going. Maybe without it we'd be in deep negative growth rather than stagnant."

bit of a non-argument IMO

If, instead of giving a £10m bonus to a few fat cats. a few thousand empoloyees got a bit higher pay, are you suggesting they wouldn't spend their money and keep the economy growing?

I was interested that hillary's son was a drug addict and she dug him out of that and helped him become clean so I don't think that the rich are oblivious to suffering or social problems such as drugs.

instead of giving a £10m bonus to a few fat cats HD is not a fat cat. she made her money through commerce.

not the same as a banker at all.

commerce = risk/return. banker= heads i win/tails you lose

I was commenting on "millionaires spending their money"

I did not enter into the morality of how various different millionaires get their money

You do agree about the economic effect of money being spent by either millionaires or non-millionaires, though, don't you.

needs more examination: 1000 people spending £10 on something made in China, is probably less useful to the UK economy than one person spending £10,000 on something made here by a craftsman or women.

I was really referencing millionaires who have made money from their own companies rather than employees making money as per the dragon in the OP. Possibly should have made that clearer.

I think the current banker situation is one almost without precedent and does have to be mentioned separately.

Not necessarily TheRealTillyMinto.

If 1000 people spend £10 on something made in China but sold in British shops then that will help our retail industry.

The Government's and the Bank of England's drive to keep sterling low definitely helps our export industry but that's not the only industry we have in this country.

And I'd guess that the retail sector employs far more people, generating more tax and conversely not claiming benefits, than businesses employing skilled craftspeople making £10,000 items for the luxury goods market.

Not that I'm saying that kind of business doesn't have its place in our economy and jobs it provides aren't valuable too.

How on earth can you spend millions on clothes? [boggle]

I don't mind if people make money and spend it. I mind when they make money and wiggle their way out of paying tax on it.

lequeen whilst I think most successful people do accept that a certain amount of luck has played its part, I do think that overplaying this factor allows others to brush aside what they haven't done as opposed to what they have.

I endlessly hear from would-be writers that it is impossible to get published. They blame everything from misery memoirs to Collen Rooney. They say no one can get published these days unless they are a sleb. Waht they often fail to mention is the biggest obstacle to their becoming published: they've never actually finished a feckin book.