to think the Daily Mail should not show photographs of horrific animal cruelty on its website?

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I would urge you not to look, but the fucking DM have a still from I guess an animal rights video showing how fur is farmed (from apparently live animals) for the manufacture of fake Uggs.

How can I complain to them about this? I do not want to go back to their vile home page to seek out an email address, and I am not going to click on the link so that I can comment below.

I am beyond disgusted - with the vile Mail as much as the animal torturers.

i am not sure what evidence you are looking for. if not video what would be acceptable?

I'm not particularly an animal lover, however these images have haunted me all day

I'm not particularly an animal lover, however these images have haunted me all day

Me too.

When I was out earlier, I noticed a girl wearing some fake Ugg boots and I was immediately taken back to that video.

"...... and I also don't believe much I hear from Animal Rights Activists."

It would be wonderful to agree with you ruby. Really. I wish I could, I so, so wish I could.

But I know that I'm not lying about the abuse that I see, come across and uncover and I am as sure as I can be that those like me whom I know aren't. Many of them are friends of mine.

Do you disbelieve much that you hear from your friends?

And, my god, whoever said that there's no reason to lie given the amount of abuse in the world has never said a truer word. (No pun intended!).

Yes, sure, many of us are extremists. Many are not. The definition of extremist isn't "liar" though.

I didn't think you meant me personally for one minute, ruby, truthfully I didn't. Goodness, I'm not that arrogant! Honest! :o

I was explaining that as much as I wished that AR folk were lying I know that I'm not when I speak of abuse (I get involved in more than just domestic dogs, btw). Nor are those I know... and I know this as much as I can do, as much as you can know and trust your friends, because I see the start, middle and end of some of their work.

As I said, I wish that they WERE lying, I wish that the abuse they and I come across WASN'T true.

I never anything about being within the law! :o

I take the view that the law can be an ass and that sometimes it's necessary to carry out a "bad" act in order to prevent a far worse attrocity.

I wish that wasn't the case too, that it wasn't sometimes necessary to take those measures but - and speaking only personally here - would I rather a break in and theft of an abused animal were carried out than that animal remained in the premises suffering? Yes, I would although I wish that the law was always humane and that it didn't drive folk like me to feel as we do.

Ruby, it would be comforting to believe that activists exaggerate the truth in the name of their cause - comforting because nobody likes to think this unimaginable cruelty goes on. Unfortunately, it is far more likely that it is the tip of the iceberg. Sorry.

"I am not being ignorant and burying my head in the sand here, I know their is animal cruelty but I'm not naive enough to believe that AR Activists are beyond fabricating the truth to gain support."

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And what is your point? That this video is fraud? Ok that this practice does not happen? Or that this does happen but this video is to 'increase the sales' by DM? Btw any normal person would have an aversion to watch this material, not to buy the newspaper as a result ffs. Or maybe that it is true but AR activists jam it into people's faces because they want to increase their profiles?

Apart from your statement that you are 'not naive enough', what is your point??

I think it's reasonable to say that all activists exaggerate. That doesn't mean this isn't happening, but you always need to bear it in mind.

Imagine if you were campaigning for better roads in your area and taking pictures of potholes. You wouldn't say "This street only has one so isn't too bad". You'd show the very worst street in your area and zoom in on every bad bit.

If there is some extra profit in skinning animals alive then it will go on - that's another thing you can rely on cos people are like that where money is concerned, but it doesn't mean that it's everywhere and only if there is some advantage to to doing it.

Jeez I can't believe the denial

If you mean me I'm not denying anything, but I'm not a child either to think that all grown-ups tell the truth.

Yes, Ruby, but not to you alone. You have denied it though - you say above "I don't believe any literature or video's provided by Animal Rights."

It makes me sad because exposure and public outrage (leading to people stopping buying the fake uggs or whatever) really is the best tool of Animal Rights organisations. Their only chance at stopping such cruel practices is to stop people buying the goods.

People should probably refuse to buy fur items from China since there is no excuse for not killing them first and I don't think there's any doubt that they are mistreating them even if the activists are gleefully pointing to the worst ones.

I have no problem with using animals, but they should always be killed quickly. Saying it's better for the fur/meat is no excuse.

That applies to Kosher slaughter of meat animals too.

"I don't buy or read the Daily Mail and I don't believe any literature or video's provided by Animal Rights.

I am entitled to that opinion and will stand by it no matter how aggressive you are."

Or how naive it is, clearly.

ruby, how does one become "sucked into" AR activism? Is that the same as being "sucked into" campaigning for human rights or "sucked into" fundraising for a childrens' hospice?