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to think the Daily Mail should not show photographs of horrific animal cruelty on its website?

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bibbitybobbityhat · 04/10/2011 13:27

I would urge you not to look, but the fucking DM have a still from I guess an animal rights video showing how fur is farmed (from apparently live animals) for the manufacture of fake Uggs.

How can I complain to them about this? I do not want to go back to their vile home page to seek out an email address, and I am not going to click on the link so that I can comment below.

I am beyond disgusted - with the vile Mail as much as the animal torturers.

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Notacitychick · 04/10/2011 23:37

Nope, No idea that real fur was being passed off as fake fur - that is truly shocking. Will pass on the message IRL. I couldn't even read the whole DM article - the first couple of pics did it for me :(

I also thought the animals were clubbed to death first. I am truly Angry

toptramp · 04/10/2011 23:43

Of course it'd upsetting; it's designed to make you stop buying the fur boots.

Notacitychick · 04/10/2011 23:51

Sorry, just to rephrase slightly, I thought they were clubbed to death first - but that would not make it ok - just that I didn't realise things were so barbaric as they actually are :( I have always been against fur in principle.

ecclesvet · 04/10/2011 23:58

This is not normal practice.

Use some common sense - why would these people/companies choose to skin a live animal, which struggles and fights and kicks, over a dead one? These videos are the result of animal rights activists bribing the workers huge amounts of money to do something barbaric for the camera so they can point to it and say 'this is how it all is'.

That is not to say the fur industry is actually lovely, I am very much against it, but please use common sense and don't think "oh well it's in a foreign country, it must be barbaric".

CheshireDing · 05/10/2011 02:40

I remember seeing footage like this years ago and so I didn't read the story in the DM this time (because the old video footage still sticks in my mind).

I really do not understand why it is necessary to skin some poor animal whilst it is still alive.

I guess the only way you can tell real/faux fur is hopefully by feel - when I have felt real fur (in Selfridges because I wanted to see if there was a difference) it was very soft but usually I thought faux fur felt more synthetic. I hope I have this correct.

rubyrubyruby · 05/10/2011 05:18

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Ormirian · 05/10/2011 05:30

Why ruby?

If you don't think this video is genuine, there are plenty of others out there. It happens. It's not just an isolated incident. Human's are capable of utter cruelty and callousness- that's hardly news. Especially in pursuit of profit. And because we are the top species and they are 'only animals', it's tolerated with a bit of hand-wringing and little action.

Or don't you believe it because you don't care? I know there are people that think concern for the non-human animal is mere pointless sentiment.

rubyrubyruby · 05/10/2011 05:38

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supercally · 05/10/2011 06:01

Why would animal rights activists lie? They really don't need to, the truth is bad enough and needs no embellishment.

These things are horrible and upsetting and I never want to see the pictures but how will these situations change if we don't know about them and they are not publicised?

Piggyleroux · 05/10/2011 08:00

These images need to be seen. For once, good on the DM for highlighting it. I shall be emailing them to thank them.

earlyriser · 05/10/2011 08:12

AFAIK they skin the animal alive so that the blood is still flowing to the skin, which apparently makes the fur softer Angry

forrestgump · 05/10/2011 10:00

I do agree with Ruby, In all fairness Animal rights activities think it is totally acceptable to bash a human being across the head, spray chemicals in thier face, etc yet will put thier lives on the line for an animal? It is nothing about who is the top species but if they are capable of doing that to a human being, I question thier righteousness.

and I have said already, I have watched this video a long time ago, i think it is awful.

MarginallyNarkyPuffin · 05/10/2011 10:02

Is this an acceptable source?

MarginallyNarkyPuffin · 05/10/2011 10:08

Or this?

Safe link to article but do NOT click link to video.

splashymcsplash · 05/10/2011 10:08

Forest gump you are talking about a few extremists. It's unfair to tar everyone with the same brush.

rubyrubyruby · 05/10/2011 10:18

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 05/10/2011 10:19

It's a fact that access to goods from China brought in by containers has greatly improved the standard of living of many of our people here - and don't you forget it.

I'll do as I see fit, Andrewofgg. I don't want to buy cheap tat. I don't want to subsidise the appalling conditions for workers in China and their people generally and I don't want to bolster the thoughts of people like you who obviously feel that the standard of living for people in the UK is a fair 'trade off'. Hmm

Ormirian · 05/10/2011 10:28

I think that if these things are going on, animal rights activists aren't 'lying' even if all the evidence avaiable was staged (and I don't beleive that is the case).

TeddyRuxpin · 05/10/2011 10:36

Just wanted to add that leather isn't always a by-product of the meat industry.
A lot of Indian leather comes from animals which are badly abused before being skinned alive.
I wouldn't have known this if I hadn't seen it on an Internet video so I do think it is right to let people know where their products come from and how they are farmed even though it is very distressing to see.

onagar · 05/10/2011 11:00

Why would animal rights activists lie?

It never occurred to me that videos might be staged by animal rights activists, but now I think about it some must be or they wouldn't have had the chance to film them at all.

Think about it from the point of view of the activist. He wants the whole thing stopped and they won't let him go around filming as a rule. So he pays someone to do it for the camera (for the greater good).

But since he is paying them for this he wants to see the worse case doesn't he to make the point to people who might be wavering.

As I say I don't know really, but that seems a likely scenario. It doesn't prove that bad things don't happen, but as someone pointed out the workers would find it easier to kill the animal first.

bemybebe · 05/10/2011 11:20

"Why would animal rights activists lie? "

yeah. 9/11 was an inside work and there is life on mars but there is a world-wide government conspiracy to hide it. ffs

Notacitychick · 05/10/2011 11:57

Animal rights exposes (need an accent on the e there) are generally secretly filmed by activists working undercover. Or filmed openly because the people treating animals in this way are so brazen, they don't think they are doing anything wrong.

I don't believe this is being exaggerated - I don't think there is a need to exaggerate. Unspeakable cruelty to animals on a global scale seems to be a fact of life :(

HappyFinnish · 05/10/2011 15:35

rubyrubyruby the DM lies and I know this first hand, and for what gain? Seems to me for money and selatiousness. If animal rights people lie that is bad but they don't need to because the things they are against happen, and their aim in the end is to help creatures.

bemybebe · 05/10/2011 15:37

how very convenient to dismiss it as "lies".

happy shopping rubyrubyruby

onagar · 05/10/2011 16:00

bemybebe is anyone dismissing it as lies? I've pondered the possibility that they might set it up after hours to be easier to film, but I don't really doubt that it happens.

I do think there is some confusion though because the way it was presented some people now think they heard on MN that ALL fur is obtained this way.

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