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to be fuming at sexist Christmas Presents?

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WomanlyWoman · 02/10/2011 15:40

I attended my first PTA meeting the other night, during which I discovered that the pta have bought Christmas presents for every child in the school. Nice, right? Then I realised the presents were different according to gender, the older children get books, the younger ones such as my child, in reception, get crafty things from Yellow Moon. Great, except - the girls get flower presses, the boys get cars.

This has really p-ed me off bigtime. For one, my daughter likes cars, car was one of her first words, she adores Lightning McQueen and doesn't seem to realise that it's meant to be for boys. So what message does it give her about herself when she sees the boys getting cars while she gets a flower press? Admittedly she would probably like a flower press too, but that is not the point. What about nature loving boys? Why are these children being given the message that active dynamic machines are for boys and pretty, passive things like flowers are for girls? A nature theme for all of them or a transport theme for all of them would be fine by me, but this just seems so wrong.

I'm very shy by nature and I hardly know any of the other parents. The pta meeting itself was quite an ordeal for me, so I didn't speak up at the time. I thought it was pointless because the presents have already been bought. Why make myself unpopular, so soon, when it's already done and dusted.

Then I started thinking, it's only October, there may be time to send them back and order different ones if enough parents express an opinion similar to mine. Not sure how to go about it though. Opinions and advice appreciated.

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WomanlyWoman · 03/10/2011 13:16

A lot of people seem to be getting very worked up about the fact that I seem to be worked up. :)

There's an awful lot of missing the point going on here, but I'll try and answer some of them although I think some people have said things I would have said anyway. (Beertrixpotter, projectbabyweight, katiemiddleton made some excellent points, the race analogy particularly I think).

To those who say I'm Being Ungrateful. I've already said I appreciate the time and effort the PTA put in, I also appreciate that these presents were bought with the best of intentions. This is why I feel I need to proceed tactfully. I'm amused my choice of the word 'Fuming' has been made an issue. Anyone who knows me will tell you I have never 'steamrollered' anyone into anything, no, although I do do my best to stand up to the corporate steamroller of the pinkification and sexualisation of little girls. :) As I said I'm quite a shy, quiet person by nature. I always do my best to take other people's feelings into account, it's more of a problem for me to express my own feelings effectively. Perhaps, that's why I used fuming, when annoyed would have done quite as well, not really the point though is it?

To those who think I should just accept thankfully and without comment. Accepting without comment will only lead to the same situation next year and will leave me feeling unsatisfied that I didn't stand up for the best interests of the children.

To everyone who inferred my daughter is a spoilt brat - she has been taught to accept all present graciously, and I would always do the same, or graciously refuse. Odd that some of the people who suggest I should be gracious and say thankyou also think it's ok to call my child a brat, not very gracious really is it? Anyway, this is besides the point too.

And - just because it's free or cheap doesn't mean I have to like it. To use another analogy - 'Here, here's a free badge for you, be grateful, it's a lovely yellow star'. And no I am not comparing the two situations, merely pushing the 'it's a free gift, be grateful' argument to a logical conclusion.

By some arguments just because someone, (the PTA) puts time and effort in...anything they do is right? I think not.

Neither is it about not being satisfied with anything. I'd be happy for them to donate to a good cause instead, or happy with any toy that was given out to all of them. I liked the point about the toys themselves being gender neutral, just not the way they are given out. Absolutely.

I agree with some of the points made about consumerism, I think kids do get too much tat, but that's off the point too.

Those who claim I am whinging about something rather than getting involved are also way off the mark. I am as involved with the PTA as I've had the opportunity to be so far, and it's my intention to be as fully involved as possible with them.

And as for the 'It's just a little gift - it doesn't matter in the great scheme of things' argument? Nor does your life. Big things are made up of lots of little things.

I'm sad so many people think this is just fine. Cars for boys, flowers for girls, fine, really? Yes, it may be just one present, but it's from Santa/from the school and while I may smile through gritted teeth and thank an individual who is nice enough to buy my child a present, even a Disney Princess piece of tat, I expect better from the school. I expect them to encourage girls and boys to explore their full potential, not to be given traditional gendered gifts that drive home the message of pretty pink for girls and brrrm brrrm for boys. It is an issue. It may be a small issue to some, but if you don't stand up for yourself on small issues, they are liable to snowball and turn into big issues. It's all part of that constant drip-drip message of narrowing down choices for girls and boys. I think this is something that should be challenged and I intend to challenge it. Not sure exactly how, yet, but I will definitely be around to make sure this doesn't happen next year.

Thankyou to those who have made practical suggestions. I may suggest the sack to pick from, or if that fails, that they be opened at home.

So, it's not about being ungrateful. It's not about my emotional health. Whether my child (or any child) likes the present or not is also not the point. It's purely about genderisation, the the messages children are being given when they get these gifts.

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WoTmania · 03/10/2011 13:18

depending on age you could also get those little puzzle/wordsearch books?

mrjellykeepskidsquiet · 03/10/2011 13:20

YABU...the school are doing something nice for the kids, just accept graciously.

Fucking hell the christmas spirit is alive and well with some people!

KatieMiddleton · 03/10/2011 13:21

If in doubt I'll buy something I know my DS likes. Whether for a boy or girl. Previous not-having-a-clue gifts included Judith Kerr picture books and some of those little hard animals that are about £3 each from the toy shop (by a German name beginning with S I can't remember) and one of those little trucks that comes apart into three bits. All bought for a mix of boys and girls I didn't know terribly well.

When they get past 4 years old it's usually craft stuff of some kind that they can make. Decorate a mug, art set, make a paper aeroplane etc etc

ElaineReese · 03/10/2011 13:22

I'd ask my child, probably. And what KM said!

WomanlyWoman · 03/10/2011 13:31

gifts at parties - I think crafty stuff always goes down well, jigsaws, puzzles, also all kids like balloons and bubbles, there's loads of stuff, I bought toys from Hawkins bazaar to give out at my daughters birthday party, not much of a pink and blue divide in there. My friend recently did a pass the parcel in which the boys and girls got gifts that a lot of people would say were for the other gender eg one little boy got a DP painting kit, my daughter got a make your own fork truck - all the kids were quite happy with what they got.

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jenfraggle · 03/10/2011 13:34

We didn't get presents in school but did in nursery. I was a complete tomboy and remember being in floods of tears because Father Christmas had given me a doll when the boys had Transformers. It was bad enough being given a doll but knowing that FC gave it to me made me worry that I would get the same on Christmas Day as he obviously hadn't got my list. I asked all the boys to swap and none of them would. The nursery staff were all horrified that they had upset me so much.

halcyondays · 03/10/2011 13:34

I think it's pretty unlikely that enough parents will express an opinion similar to yours, tbh. Are you going to offer to send back all the presents and buy new ones yourself? Or are you just going to complain about it and expect somebody else to do all the work, when they had already bought what most people would consider perfectly good presents, why had presumably been agreed on by the rest of the PTA members. If you have only just joined the PTA, then you are not going to make yourself popular by complaining when, as you say, it's all done and dusted.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 03/10/2011 13:36

KatieMiddleton... Schleich.

BeerTricksPotter · 03/10/2011 13:37

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KatieMiddleton · 03/10/2011 13:38

Yes that's them! Thank you.

KatieMiddleton · 03/10/2011 13:44

I agree with Beer. Until you ask people you won't know. It also depends what you ask IME. Simply saying "does anyone have any objections to buying all the children in the year the same gift?" is likely to go down better than "We need to stop this sexist practice of buying different gifts for girls and boys. Who will join me in standing up to gender stereotyping?"

As I said further up the thread, just because there's a committee it doesn't mean the majority view is represented.

Red2011 · 03/10/2011 13:44

As it was your first meeting then I think you're right to have held your tongue. However, I am with you on the sexist toys theme - DD is only 8 months old and people are starting to ask if she wants a dolly to play with... why not wait 'til she is old enough to decide what she wants to play with?
I think you should let your DD accept the present as politely and nicely as possible - after all, the PTA are under no obligation to buy the children anything. As you get more involved during the course of the year you can then perhaps drop in suggestions of more 'encompassing' toys for next year should they decide to buy again. I am a big fun of 'creative' toys and educational/science toys which span both genders.

KatieMiddleton · 03/10/2011 13:46

AND the majority view is irrelevant. The law is very clear on the subject of equality so there really is no argument for gender stereotyping in this day and age.

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Laquitar · 03/10/2011 14:06

Red do you not buy or accept toys for your dd until she is older? Confused

Roseflower · 03/10/2011 14:09

"I expect them to encourage girls and boys to explore their full potential"

Then surely a flower press is good thing as you daughter already "likes cars, car was one of her first words, she adores Lightning McQueen"

So logically giving her something new, that is encouraging more potential as it could lead to an interest in crafts, art, gardeing etc is therefore allowing her to explore things other than cars again which is already an established passion.

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VegetablePatch · 03/10/2011 14:41

I'm sorry, I know this doesn't answer the OP's question, but can anyone explain to me why PTA funds are being spent on buying presents for the children? Whether a toy car or a flower press I doubt the children will really care (for long) about a gift from the PTA...it sounds to me like a waste of hard earned funds and parents' time.

Surely PTA funds should be put towards buying things for the school, subsidising school uniform costs, supporting a charity in the school's name etc.?

Sorry for interruption and naive question.

Dawndonna · 03/10/2011 15:07

Fucking hell Mrjelly Miss the point completely.

attheendoftheday · 03/10/2011 15:09

YANBU it isn't about being ungrateful, it's about not passively accepting the school socialising children into their gender roles (i.e. boys active and girls passive). I wouldn't like it either.

halcyondays · 03/10/2011 15:19

I think if you suggested buying the same presents for boys and girls next year, it would be perfectly reasonable. But this year the presents have already been bought and I can't imagine that many people would feel strongly enough about this to want to go to the trouble of sending them all back and buying new ones. There is no law against buying gender stereotyped toys.

KatieMiddleton · 03/10/2011 15:30

Actually it is against the law in schools halycyondays.

I'm referring to the Equality Act 2010, Section 85 paragraph 2 (b)

I have cut and pasted the relevant bit below for you although you can read it in full here

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Pupils: admission and treatment, etc..

(1)The responsible body of a school to which this section applies must not discriminate against a person?.
(a)in the arrangements it makes for deciding who is offered admission as a pupil;.
(b)as to the terms on which it offers to admit the person as a pupil;.
(c)by not admitting the person as a pupil..

(2)The responsible body of such a school must not discriminate against a pupil?.
(a)in the way it provides education for the pupil;.
(b)in the way it affords the pupil access to a benefit, facility or service;.

gethelp · 03/10/2011 15:30

VegetablePatch exactly what I thought. What's the point of raising money just to spend it on crap. New books for the library?

KatieMiddleton · 03/10/2011 15:32

Sorry halcyon that sounded like I was having a go at you. I wasn't. Blush