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to wonder if posters on here would refer to Islam as "a load of old tosh"..

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OhdearNigel · 22/09/2011 16:33

...in the same way that they think it is acceptable to ridicule Christianity. If a poster had started a thread about considering joining a mosque I wonder how many people would be prepared to post that Muslims were a bunch of bigoted fools due to their religious belief on homosexuality ? Or that a Hindu's beliefs were, to quote " a load of old tosh" ? If you don't think that would be alright to post, it's not alright to post it about Christianity either.

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SueNarmy · 25/09/2011 13:10

id say that about catholicism in a flash too

MrGin · 25/09/2011 13:30

I suppose the thing is you have to earn respect, it shouldn't be assumed on the basis of simply having a supernatural 'belief'. And I think some people of the religious persuasion have a problem with that.

CheerfulYank · 25/09/2011 15:54

I respect you, silly. :o

The LDS is like any other in that it has its crazies (the prairie-dressing plural-wife havin' desert people) and the fairly normal ones like the friends I grew up with. They want to separate themselves totally from the crazies, would never touch a child, and only want one spouse.

I don't think anyone deserves automatic respect, and if someone's beliefs are hurting others I think it's perfectly fine to tell them that they are being batshit crazy. Or a more eloquent term. But I suppose as far as the people who are just walking around living their lives, I'm terribly Midwestern in that I don't like to be rude and am of the "Oh well we don't agree but let's go have some coffee and bars and talk about them Vikings, huh?" persuasion.

Onagar is there something wrong with the word "it" ? Confused I also quite like this book, which switches off using He and She. As in:

"God is indeed deep", Old Turtle said to the fish in the sea; "and much higher than high?", she told the mountains.

"He is swift and free as the wind and still and solid as a great rock" she said to the breezes and stones. "She is the life of the world" Turtle said to the willow.

"Always close by, yet beyond the farthest twinkling light" she told the ant and the star.

"God is gentle and powerful. Above all things and within all things.

God is all we dream of, and all we seek" said Old Turtle, "all that we come from and all that we find." God IS.

Sorry that was long, I've just always loved it. And believe it. Well, not the talking turtle bit. :)

timidviper · 26/09/2011 00:19

I'm not very well informed on these things, just tend to trundle along in my own little rut with my own little beliefs! I keep resolving to read and research more but time always runs away with me, and I never cease to be impressed at the knowledge and thoughtfulness of some posters on here.

When DD did RE GCSE she did a brief study of world religions and one of the big ones was Baha'i which I had never heard of before. I think one of the tenets of this is that all religions worship the same god but the religion is defined by the culture of the society when that news was received. So, for example, a patriarchal society may interpret god as being male as that conforms to their view of power. Although I am Christian, not Baha'i, that struck me as being a very plausible explanation.

CheerfulYank · 26/09/2011 02:06

Yes, I've always thought Baha'i sounded interesting! :)

flyingspaghettimonster · 26/09/2011 02:16

I don't think I would refer to any religion as a load of all tosh, at least, not to anyone that believed in it. Even though I think all religions are equally bollox. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they choose, and so long as it doesn't remove my rights to think what I like, they are as welcome to their delusions as I am to mine :)

Insomnia11 · 26/09/2011 04:29

I'm more likely to have a go at aspects of Christianity as I know more about it. Given the Christian faith is still taught in state schools & there are still bishops in the house of lords I'd say it isn't given enough of a hard time. Religions should not have any influence on education or politics.

bintofbohemia · 26/09/2011 05:31

(Actually, Buddhism is more of a philosophy than a religion and the benefits of meditation have been medically documented. The NHS now recommend meditation to people suffering from depression, anxiety and other mental health issues.) Grin

Riveninabingle · 26/09/2011 09:42

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ThePosieParker · 26/09/2011 09:52

Saudi has given women the vote......

#justsaying. (whilst I dance joyfully around the house)

Riveninabingle · 26/09/2011 09:57

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cantspel · 26/09/2011 10:06

Big deal as Municipal elections only cover local councils and only half of the people who sit on them are elected and the other half appointed by the saudi government.
King Abdullah is throwing crumbs to appease the masses.

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ThePosieParker · 26/09/2011 10:09

(I have no idea Riven, just heard it on the news this morning and stopped dead in my tracks......apparently some amazing women campaigned for years)

It may be crumbs but every loaf is made of thousands, it's a start surely. Hopefully it's a crack in the dam.

onagar · 26/09/2011 12:10

Even if it's not enough the voting for women thing is an amazing step forward.

CheerfulYank, nothing wrong with the word 'it' in my book, but it's normally considered incorrect (and probably disparaging) to refer to a person as 'it'. I suppose if god is a trinity then 'it' is appropriate like it would be for a committee

CheerfulYank · 26/09/2011 13:37

I never considered God to be a person. :) I call Jesus "He" of course.

Spero · 26/09/2011 15:41

Well said MrGin. Respect is earned, not demanded.

Also, you can reasonably ask that I do not insult you but how on earth can anyone expect me to 'respect' something I think is tosh? I don't go around burning down mosques or churches or stopping people trying to get in them.

CoteDAzur · 27/09/2011 13:26

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anewmotivatedme · 29/09/2011 14:49

Cote, no doubt islam has influenced women's lives in Turkey. I must say I have a turkish friend, from Ankara, married to a welsh man, and she is very lovely confident outgoing and western in her outlook. I've also met her family visiting, they came out for a meal with us, both drank alcohol and wore western clothes. They spoke reasonably good english.

I recall her saying she was having her parents over for Christmas, I questioned the fact they were muslims. She said they quite enjoyed turkey dinner (without the pork), and liked seeing the grandchildren open their presents. Hmm.

I had always assumed turkey to not be a very strict muslim country.

GrimmaTheNome · 29/09/2011 14:59

I had always assumed turkey to not be a very strict muslim country.

Since Attaturk, Turkey is a secular country. Of course Islam is the main religion within it, but its far from a typical 'Islamic' country.

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