to wonder if posters on here would refer to Islam as "a load of old tosh"..

[OhdearNigel]

...in the same way that they think it is acceptable to ridicule Christianity. If a poster had started a thread about considering joining a mosque I wonder how many people would be prepared to post that Muslims were a bunch of bigoted fools due to their religious belief on homosexuality ? Or that a Hindu's beliefs were, to quote " a load of old tosh" ? If you don't think that would be alright to post, it's not alright to post it about Christianity either.

That's fine MrGin. I don't fit what you seem to expect a Christian should be, but that doesn't mean I'm not one :) I'm a liberal Christian, not a fundamentalist. I've made a decision to follow Jesus and this remains the case even though I don't get everything right. So either I'm wrong about Comparitive Religion and still loved by God - or I'm right about it, and guess what? Still loved by God.

".... meteorite. If they were all right your God wouldn't be saying the only way to heaven is through him. I'm beginning to doubt you are actually a Christian"

I mentioned it because someone was going on about prawns and other nitty gritty and I said in the grand scheme of things all that matters is someone realtionship with God and the comfort he brings , and to leave each other alone as its so pointless really.

I am standing up for every person who is going through awful things and taking comfort in God and doesnt really want to hear how stupid they are too and how they are fair game for ridicule, leave them alone they are people with feelings.

What spero said was evil- if you want to associate yourself with that then thats your choice

ok enough with the evil. what sero said mght not be pleasant to hear or vey palatable to you right now but it wasn't evil. i really think you will be able to see that whenyou have taken a step back from this thead.

But not every religious person is going through something awful at the moment and several of them (including you) have chosen to come onto a thread that will clearly debate religious beliefs.

If the thread was about bereaved mothers I'd be right on your side, but it's not. I just don't understand why you engaged with this thread if your religion is a very sensitive topic for you at the moment.

Also, I really don't see where Spero was being evil. I totally agree with her (him).

Oh so its ok to only treat Christians/Muslims like humans if they are going through something awful!

Honestly, you probably all think you have such fabulous morals too.

For fuck's sake. Stop twisting my words and engage with what I am saying, or don't try and debate on a thread.

Disagreeing with someone's belief is not inhumane.

You just sound ridiculous and hysterical now.

you are now being ridiculous cocoflower.

it would be called treating them with sensitivity to their situation, not to challenge their religious beliefs.

challenging someone's belief is not, not treatingthem like humans.

You do not know the meaning of humane. Accusing someone of using the death of child to "point score"

Get some morals, some decency, some kindess from somewhere.

xpost sally.

CF, many people from many different backgrounds and different belief systems have had or are currently having terribly tragic experiences. They may find people mentioning religion in a positive way distressing or they may find people mentioning religion in a negative way distressing.

There are certain areas of discussion that I would find very distressing for personal reasons, so I just don't go on those threads. That doesn't mean the people on those threads are doing something wrong by having the discussion.

This is the UK; most people in the UK are cultural Christians. Religious Christians simply do not have ownership of how Christianity should be discussed because Christianity is not solely their inheritance.

I didn't want to engage with this any more because it is clear that you are very upset and not thinking clearly at the moment.

But you have called my views 'evil'. Please just think for a moment about what that word means. I have clearly upset you but that doesn't make what I say an example of 'evil'.

If a parent who has lost a child finds a moments comfort in the thought of a loving God then I would indeed be a sick and horrible person if at that moment I tried to mock their faith.

But I have never done that and I would never do that. Because that would be evil.

However, you are trying to tell me I can't have strong views about religions et al because to have such views might upset someone who is going through a difficult time.

This is just crazy.

Sorry, I am getting sucked into this and I know it isn't helping. I am going to bed now.

I do hope you feel less upset when you have had some sleep and found some room in your heart to accept that my views are not 'evil'.

Yes Milly but twsiting someones words and pain around to make them feel "shame" or accusing someone of using tragedy to "point score" is beyond sick

Why on earth would any normal, sane person with even a tiny moral do such a nasty thing when someone is having a hard time. Why pick on that poster?

You have to be a little sick to do that

Spero

It is sick you would twist my words and my meaning and to try and make me feel "shame". Why pick on someone vunreable?

It was absoultely uncalled for

If you had any decency you would have simply left it. Now look at the futher pain you are causing

It is a very serious allegation though.

Somebody has recently been sent to prison in the UK for mocking the bereaved on an internet site.

I really do not think that is what has happened on this thread.

I don't actually recall anybody prior to you even mentioning bereavement.

" I have to say it is repulsive that you would seek to make a leap from a person's right to have freedom of expression"

I am repulsive for something I never said

"I have said I don't care if people are offended by my views on religion - how does that mean I seek out people in real desparate pain and start laughing at them? "

Well you have clearly seeked the vunreable poster out on here for no good reason

"Shame on you."

Now apparently I should feel shame f

"If anyone thinks they would like to maybe tell her she deserves ridicule or to be told she is stupid right now...."

i'm sorry coco but this very much looks like you are trying to end the discussion by gettingposters to feel guilty.

Can you imagine going onto any other thread any saying "My five year old niece has died so this has put things into perpective" and people actually attacking that poster for that?

I mean its beyond sick

but that is't whatyou said at all coco is it?

Thats EXACTLY what I said

"So no, this doesnt really matter about prawns when something like this happens. It makes you realsie how pointless all this fighting is"

Coco, it was suggested hours ago that you should get off the web and look after yourself. Now really would be a good time to do that, you are well past being rational.

you also said the big bit before it and that is what spero was responding to.

had you simply said, "actually myfriend has just lost her son and ithas put it all in a new perspective for me" without suggesting people wereridiculing a grievingmother then i dubt youwould have hthe esponse you recieved.

i'm off to bed now anyway.

If you are ridiculing a Christian who happens to also be a grieving mother, you are still ridiculing a Christian and thus greiving mother. You cannot magically seperate the two.

When I find any faith that truly believes that as a women I have the same rights as a man and applies that to my daughters also, I might find it in my heart to show it a bit of respect. Only a bit mind you!