To have no sympathy for the burglar

[Mitmoo]

Another burglar has been stabbed to death when he broke into a businessman's home. His wife and child were returning to the property. The details are very scant at the moment as it is early day.

But the burglars who were stabbed robbing a shop, and an edlerly shopkeeper killed one of them, he was not prosecuted. I think that's right.

It's on R5Live now being debated after another burglar was killed at the weekend.

Personally I think home burglars should take getting stabbed as a occupational hazard. I have no sympathy for them.

MIFLAW, Save a burglars life - Post your street address so they can come to your house.

Better for them, better for us.

"If my family rerturned home, saw the front door wide open and heard shouting inside"

Unless of course the burglars had stabbed the bloke to death and decided to shut the door to conceal their crime while they perused the contents at leisure. We'll never know, will we, what might have happened - and guess what, neither did the bloke on bail for murder. I doubt he had a crystal ball

Death sentence to all criminals is fine by me! Extra money would be good for hospitals and victims of crime.

"The life of his family certainly wasn't because they were not present."

Can I just remind people what I said earlier - the family did return home during the incident. The police have not commented on whether the man was stabbed before they returned or after so its impossible to know at this stage whether he felt his fmaily were at risk or not.

One of the problems when you are attacked is losing your voice - Suzy Lamplughs mum used to encourage women to practice doing a low "ha!" kind of noise to get your voice working. There wasn't necessarily lots of shouting, just maybe some frantic scuffling. His family could easily walked into it.

We have very little evidence at this stage.

I'm with whoever said that killing someone can't be considered acceptable or normal in our society.

I can see how it would happen in this circumstance and have every sympathy with the victim, it's a possibility for any criminal when breaking and entering someones property. It should be considered an occupational hazard actually, it sounds about right.

But considering it acceptable makes my blood run cold. We don't kill people with abandon, we just don't.
That's not saying a person should not have the right to protect themselves and their property, it's just the extremity of killing someone I cannot come to terms with.

This doesn't mean I sympathise wit the burglar in any way, nor am I condmening the homeowner. I assume I would react reflexively in similar circumstances, my first concern would not be the wellbeing of the burglar. But neither would my aim be to take a lfie.

I'd be devastated in the vitims position. I feel so sorry for the poor man.

"Death sentence to all criminals is fine by me! Extra money would be good for hospitals and victims of crime." Then you are a buffoon and not a particularly pleasant one. I don't really like the thought of people like you at large in a society where my family live - to be honest I'm a lot more worried about the threat from you than of some stupid bastard whose idea of burglary is to knock at the front door.

Jilly

What if my aunt had balls? she'd be my uncle.

What if, indeed.

Just caught up with all this. May I just say this. A pox on the houses of the scumbag scrote and terrorist apologists. You lot make me sick.

I would just add - best post of the thread from ohdearnigel -

I cannot believe the astounding naivety by some of the posters on here. All I can imagine is that you have never been exposed to career criminals and your posts are based on some sort of airy fairy nonsense you've heard about poor, misunderstood people who just need some help.
They're not. Most are drug addled, amoral, feral individuals who couldn't give a shiny shit about their victims or the rest of the world at large. As long at they're getting what they want they have absolutely no compunction how they get that.
I have spent the last 9 years in the police and yet it still surprises me just how completely devoid of any humanity some of our customers are. Whether that's caused by childhood trauma is cold comfort to you when they're slitting your throat to prevent you from hampering their theft of your property

Thanks be for that and all those who do not want to give burglars and bombers a great big huggy-wug.

" A pox on the houses of the scumbag scrote and terrorist apologists."

you sound deranged.

Do I?? I haven't spent the whole day arguing the rights of armed robbers and mass-murdering terrorists. Can you say the same?

Here, here bats only wished the courts made your job easier. And yes, INLAW, you should be more afraid of me than a burglar what?
Are you for real?
You live in La La Land or what?

Miflaw you make him sound like a lovable rogue when the reality is he is a dangerous criminal. Yes he knocked on the door, but could have overpowered the man and pushed his way into the home, or threatened with weapon on doorstep

And how they need to protect themselves against armed householders.

Hardly dappy and daft he go into the mans home dident he

So just so we're clear the person who is advocating the death sentence for all criminals is accusing someone else of living in La La Land?
I can see why MIFLAW would be afraid of the idea that there are numerous people who share your opinions.

Precisely Jilly - I'm still working on that one. At the moment it's stuck out there with 'opinions that I just cannot process due to the sheer fuckwittery of them'. I suspect it might stay there too.

I meant that he got

What's to argue about peeps?

Two men with knifes barge their way into a man's home, knowing he and possibly his family are there with the intention of robbing them and knifepoint.

One gets overpowered and stabbed.

Why is everyone falling out, surely all sane people would agree, that's tough on the burglar, the houseowner was brave, his family are safe, he'll undoubtedly be traumatised. He woke up a law abiding citizen, was forced to defend his home and family, became a killer and was arrested. Poor bloke.

Hopefully in the next couple of months the CPS will give him a clean bill of health with no case to answer.

And all will then be well with the world.

Springyknickersohnovicars 100% agree

"Can you say the same?"

Yes, I can. I haven't mentioned terrorists once, and I haven't spoken about the rights of criminals either. i've spoken about why I think it's wrong to gloat over the death of a human being and why, just perhaps, him not dying might have been a better outcome all round.

His rights are what they are, and they are defined by his status as a human being. They include: right to a fair trial by jury of peers; right to be sentenced by a court of law; right to change his mind before committing subsequent criminal offences. He didn't get any of those rights, you understand, but those are his rights. His family - who apparently have done nothing AT ALL illegal except not being your sort of people - also have rights.

I don't think he was a loveable rogue at all. He was clearly an idiot and yes, he was probably dangerous. The question is, was he dangerous enough to deserve to die? I'm sensing that, for all sorts of reasons, no he wasn't. He clearly wasn't bright; he doesn't sound very handy with his weapon of choice if his victim was able to turn it on him and kill him with it; he might have waved it round, but he failed to do any damage with it. So, actually, the perceived danger may well have been greater than the actual danger.

Its early in the week to be on the cooking sherry

Just to be clear, MIFLAW.

On your How Dangerous are You? Scale, where does a known criminal with a knife barging into someone's house and then not leaving but scuffling with the householder, come?

Is it above or below Hitler?

Just read on the news, two men knocked on the door and threatened the homeowner and pushed their way past, the burglar was stabbed with his own knife. The man was worried as his family was due home soon, so they were not there when it took place.

Bully for the burglar his own fault, that is part and parcel of breaking into a house. The homeowner used the burglars own knife on the burglar not his own. totally self defense, not just one man but two. The mentality of some people on here is

It is sick that the burglars family are putting flowers near where the burglar died, dragged up not brought up. Have they no respect, that it was their family member that committed a crime in the first place. Hardly a lovable rouge, but menacing dangerous criminals. Stop trivialising the severity of the crimes.

Oh, and you say he wasn't handy. Let's see shall we?
My DH is a businessman in a suit, boring, middleaged to look at.

He's also a superb rower and lifts weights. He has the benefit of good food and lifestyle.

On his home turf, attacked like that, there would be very few scummy criminals who would get the better of him, even " handy" ones.

This businessman may well have been similar.
If I had opened the door or my elderly parents, however - a very different outcome would be likely.
( Unless I was holding my shotgun, of course )

So if I arrived home and suspected that my husband was being attacked by intruders, I'd be thick for going in and trying to help him? I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I didn't, frankly.