To not believe that 40% of parents want to bring back the cane?

[Voidka]

Really?

Those of you in favour - would you cane your child if they were naughty? Why is it ok to cane the "Other" kids. What happens if your kid does do something wrong, and I don't believe for a second that they'd be angels all the time, would that be ok? What happens if cane happy teachers use it all the time?

I think whipping a child with a stick is disgusting.

Caning is never, ever ok. And I say that as a teacher who works with violent children.

The police should certainly have been called but I am not empowered to do so. The Deputy Head who is in charge of such things conssistently chooses not to do so. Then she tells us that our classroom discipline is up to us and regularly refuses to back us up.

49% of the people who didn't tell the daily mail journo to fuck off want to bring back the cane. Draw your own conclusions :o

DrSeuss, have you and your colleagues received any training in how to safely restrain this child?

Hummus

That is an example of shockingly bad senior management. Not an argument for bringing back corporal punishment, but a good argument for having decent people running schools.
If you have been physically assaulted you have every right to report that fact to the police without anyone elses permission.

Seriously though, which teacher (who are often female) are going to try and hold down and cane a violent and disruptive 15 year old boy who is probably bigger than them. And surely you would fear violent reprisals outside of school??

If my work colleagues caned me or hit me for some perceived or actual misdemeanour I would call the police and have them charged with assault.

Why should it be any difference for my child?

Maybe if 49% of parents raised their children properly then they wouldn't be clamouring for corporal punishment in schools.

minimisschief - do you really believe that

my ds1 has Aspergers and I shiver to think what a caning school would do to him

he would be a miserable nervous wreck

he struggles enough as it is

it is a wicked, vicious practice and I am revolted by the idea of it.

Sadly, even as a detterent the cane won't ever be back.

Let's face it kids can't even play conkers now-a-days since a posse of woolly minded, PC motivated, Health & Safety nutters started interfering in schools.

Can you imagine how the risk assessment on the cane would read?

We still had the belt when I was at school. It was a badge of honour for the small group who regularly got it. Looking back now, I'm sure more could have been done with their behaviour if the school had taken an interest in their social situations or learning difficulties and engaged with them instead of beating them.

the only experience i have of the cane is from Roald Dahl's Boy and it seemed more like torture than punishment

Tether- no, of course we don't receive training in restraint. That would be proactive and useful. Much better to wait till he blows then try to find someone to blame. I was never actually assaulted so cannot contactthe police and my colleague chose not to. Not sure I would want to try to restrain him, either.

My point is, give us something, anything, that we can use against such kids that will actually deter. I favour bootcamp for the likes of the kid I mentioned.

Actually, reading this thread has made me think..........it probably is the kids who are used to some form of abuse/violence at home who are the likely candidates for the cane therefore it wont change their behavior a jot!

I dont know then......maybe like LeQueen I dont think necessarily the cane but something needs to be done.......some kids do seem to be out of control, there is nothing the teachers/police etc can do about it and they know that! There needs to be a deterrent somewhere along the line, just cant think what it could be.

I object to corporal punishment in schools, or anywhere, both as a parent, teaching staff and as a general human being. The whole idea of hitting children in order to get them to conform is abhorent to me. And goes against everything we try and teach children about not hitting back, etc.

It does make me question the type of person who thinks it is okay to hit a young child with a stick too; I would/do judge I am afraid.

I would withdraw my child from any school that threatened to use corporal punishment. She is a well behaved and well mannered girl, but I couldn't send her to a school with this as a policy.

As teaching staff there is no way I would ever hit a child in my care. I would refuse. Infact I would go as far to not take a job in a aschool who felt this was okay.

Besides if caning worked as the ultimate punishment surely any one child would only ever need to be caned once - hmmm, so why are there so many people who were caned several times in their schooling?

Consistent and well followed non violent behaviour strategies are what is needed, not beating children.

The 40% are the same 40% who think there kids can do no wrong

probably the 40% who think queen killed lady di,or that elvis lives
in other words the hard of thinking

There is another thread on this, in which I said no one would ever be allowed to touch my child, with either a cane a belt or even their hand.
I smacked my son once in a fit of temper and never did it again.
Why would I let any stranger do it as a punishment, and a calculated one at that.

Never, ever ever would I send my child to a school with the cane. I remember the atmosphere at school when some boys were waiting to get the cane, I felt sick to my stomach then and I was only 8 or 9. And only boys, of a certain working-class group, were caned.

Hitting with implements/leaving a mark is illegal for parents. I cannot see the cane ever being brought back, thank god.

Hummus - good analysis, probably right.

agree totally that the people who would want it brought back would want it for other people's children and would be outraged if it were applied to their own.

No, I don't at all agree with it being brought back. Some teachers who wielded canes in the days when they were in use were nasty sadistic bastards who shouldn't have been let near children in the first place.
Caning cannot be thought of as a good thing. Physical abuse of a child to that extent is Just Wrong.

And I say this as a parent who is not totally against smacking - but I AM totally against hitting a child with another object, especially a cane or belt (but anything really).

LeQueen - that school behaved outrageously to you. You should have gone after them for constructive dismissal and brought it all out into the open. :(

Smacking a small unable-to-reason toddler is not the same as trying to instill a culture of fear across a school of older children and teenagers through whipping them.

It may be on the same continuum, the former is undesirable, the latter is barbaric.