To think this nurse was exaggerating the truth...

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I have just been to take my DD (13 months) for her injections. I very politely requested to have the 12 month boosters on a separate visit to the MMR. The nurse then told me that every other child in the country has their's together. AIBU to think this isnt the case???

In the end she agreed but after trying to make me feel silly and very PFB-ish. I definately don't want to turn this into a MMR/vaccinations debate, I just feel that it should be "my baby my choice" on how things are done (obviously working within the constraints of the NHS) and that it simply isn't true that ALL children have their injections together.

"The cost involved for special schooling or extra classroom support, portage, social worker"

hahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha

have you any idea how hard it is to get any of that?!

once the dx has been delayed, unnecessarily, for a few years. and then the school adopts a "wait and see" appraoch.

then you go through School Action and SA+

then you are turned down for Statutory Assessemnt. you appeal, and it goes to tribunal. you win.

SA happens.

it takes 18 months, instead of 6 motnhs, as it should. and in this time your child is given no help.

by this point, your child is probably nearing the primary/secondary transition.

if you are well and truly shafted, you will be ocnvinced ot "wait and see" how they get on at secondary.

once that is over, ebd schools are discussed.

once your child reaches 16, the educational "support" is over, and you are passed over to health and social care. and you get to start the fights all over again.

support is not exactly forthcoming for children with ASD. hell, you have to fight hard enugh to even get the dx most of the time.

silver and peachy your posts on this board make me so angry

you lot croc and wrangler and all the rest ought to be ashamed of yourselves with talk of greater good and whackjobs and hysterical

shame on you

Quite, Silverfrog!

Besides you would need really to bring the whole sspectrum-proper on board I think to find anything of significane: that seems to include ADHD (going by MRI scan results). Wherre I live the Ed Psychs don't believe in ADHD. Actively, pronounced disbelief. Despite the aforementioned evidence from scans (corpus callosum seems to be significant though other areas as well). Try getting a decent representative group when the diagnosis is deemed to not even be suitable to be given.

Or as my GP says: well it's all a bit wooly really, I persona;;y know the DSM 5 is going to drop all these disorders'

Er no, and I had seen the draft, but believe what you will

Good

I hope you have all gone to your rooms to THINK ON because I want to go to sleep

peachy not you just the rude ones

No, BB, where did I say that? This thread isn't about MMR/autism?

Sad thing is Blue that Sf and I are able for this: SF is very intelligent and I respect her opinions a great deal, even though I don't always share them.

I am fortunate to have had the chance to study. ( even if I still cannot type!)

We are not representative: if we had to fight to get anything at all, then a lot of people who have been less lucky will have such a difficult path. That makes me sad.

I know children who haven't been vaccinated but have ASD, brain damage and bowel disorders so how do you attrubute cause and effect. Viruses take sometimes 10 days to come out, so your baby was fine but could have been incubating a virus before becoming ill, how do you know it is not incidental? How do you account for those who have problems and have not been vaccinated. I don't deny that there is a link with auto immune disorders and I do feel sad about the affected children. I do believe that scientists need a test for susceptibility for auto -immune disorders in children. However, it is not the MMR that actually causes it, more an accumulation of auto-immune issues imo.

I agree that you can sometimes see ASD in babies but some don't seem obvious until later because it is a spectrum disorder.

'S OK Blue

Posted too soon - it was in answer to the side effects of measles being not very serious.

Irma, in the spirit of trying to reclaim MN from the fightclub it has become, coudl you at least try not to juxtapose words like "hysterical" and "non vaccinating"?

I mean, why did you even feel the need ot say that?

^^ Seriously? If you read my post thoroughly you'll see I didn't take sides nor did i juxtapose hysterical and non-vaccinating. IMHO some of the posts appear to be a bit hysterical but as I said I wasn't joining in and the fight club bit was a bit rich tbh

As you were.

thecaprain

I think that comes down to the many syndromes as one hypothesis.

We've been looking for this big cause: well some stilla re but most people I speak to now have given up on that, and are looking for the constituent disorders within that label.

It's likely that most cases (NOT all) are gentically based and a trigger is needed: there is nothing to say MMR could not be that trigger, equally a vaccine or a food intolerance or whatever. but before we can say we need a way of classifying the ASD types and that's nowhere near developed yet.

oh, hey, Blue. it's not all bad.

well, the system is, obviously.

but thankfully we bypassed a lot of the shit I just typed out. it cost us enormously, sure. but that, if you believe the LA, is because we wanted a gold-standard service, rather than what the nhs/LA offer.

odd that. since the standard service on offer was to ignore dd1's issues, hope they would all go away, deny her services such as SALT and basic health services etc etc.

instead we chose to give her a chance at education, and the right treatmetns ot help her bowel issues.

btu I guess we were just deluded about all of that too.

I haven't denied there COULD be a link between vaccines and brain damage/ASD and many other conditions, just stated that there is evidence to support MORE risk can be caused by having certain diseases we vaccinate against.

The side effects of measles can be devastating

So too though can the effects of ASD, especially in individuals who have a severe LD within that, and may even have shut down.

given how many conditions ASD can sahre comorbidity with, I can't see at the most severe level there is a huge difference tbh. It's devastating V devastating. There's no point in competing between tragedies.

irma, yes seriously.

and if you cannot see that your post was inflammatory, then I'm not sure what else I can say.

the fightclub reference was to several other threads we have both been on recently, lamenting the loss of polite civility on MN. but i guess oyu think that crossing soemthing out means that it can't be seen (see, we can all play at being snarky. but my original post wasn't. it wa sa genuine enquiry. hey ho)

"I know children who haven't been vaccinated but have ASD, brain damage and bowel disorders so how do you attrubute cause and effect"

Does that mean because there are people who have lung cancer who have never smoked, tha smoking does not cause lung cancer?

Hmm Bimbo

I'm not sure that it is more risk tbh: not in isolation, at severe ASD level, the risk of infecting others is obvious of course.

And not having MMR doesnot always equate to not being immune- ds4 had singles, we paid for them. We'd give them at 4 but the clinic went under and the £££ add up.

Right Dh is home, got to fly.

Night all.

Thats up to you to decide what risks are worth taking, I dont think letting my young kids play outside is a risk worth taking although the chances of anything happening to them are statistically very low. Others do, and things may happen to them. I personally feel ASD is a risk i'd rather take than some other complications from illnesses we are able to vaccinate against.

Not in all cases stealth, often it could be exposure to other toxins as well as smoke and yes I know plenty of none smokers who had lung cancer.

So do you not see the relation to vaccinations and ASD then? Because in the post I quote you are implying, I think, that as you know of children with ASD who have not been vaccinated, that vaccines CANNOT cause ASD.
Surely you can see why I used the example I did.

Yes so smoking causes lung cancer, but not in all cases
And using the same logic, vaccines do not have to cause ALL cases of ASD

I am actually arguing against my beliefs here, but arguing against your logic for saying that!