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To think this nurse was exaggerating the truth...

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Likeaheadlesschicken · 15/09/2011 13:33

I have just been to take my DD (13 months) for her injections. I very politely requested to have the 12 month boosters on a separate visit to the MMR. The nurse then told me that every other child in the country has their's together. AIBU to think this isnt the case???

In the end she agreed but after trying to make me feel silly and very PFB-ish. I definately don't want to turn this into a MMR/vaccinations debate, I just feel that it should be "my baby my choice" on how things are done (obviously working within the constraints of the NHS) and that it simply isn't true that ALL children have their injections together.

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Blueberties · 17/09/2011 23:47

Ok now you are just finding offence because you can't find those figures anywhere else - it seems like a lot of bluster.

Firstly, like I said Hmm the 50 million was hyperbole. I can link to the OED if you like. As soon as you asked about it I explained, in detail, twice - an explanation you have not responded to.

Instead you have gone on and on about something else.

Actually there is a difference between commenting on forced vaccination at gunpoint and saying "what are you going to to - vaccinate at gunpoint?" when an article recommends forced vaccination.

I think it's quite a good question actually - not for you, because you don't believe in forced vaccination, but for people who do believe in forced vaccination, the idea of how to enforce it is really quite salient Smile

Forced vaccination may not have been the poitn of the link, but the figures you kquote are in an article recommending forced vaccination. Imagine if I linked to figures about vaccine damage in an article calling for an end to all vaccination. You wouldn't give them the time of day. You need to see them in a "clean" environment.

Blueberties · 17/09/2011 23:49

Yes I think you probably are quite a sweetie compared to some of the other people on this thread definitely. It feels mreo like a normal exchange of views that's for sure.

KouklaMoo · 17/09/2011 23:53
  1. What figures? I quoted an article and you admitted you didn't read it.
  2. The 50million was brought up in your post - you're now saying something you brought up is hyperbole?
  3. you brought 'gunpoint' into it - in your post 22:31:49
  4. No-one on here has said they believe in forced vax - if they did come on her, I would argue against.
  5. what is a clean environment?
KouklaMoo · 17/09/2011 23:54

You might find our views aren't that far apart if you'd stop being so aggressive.

KouklaMoo · 17/09/2011 23:56

Bloody hell BB, I take that last as a compliment :)

Blueberties · 18/09/2011 00:01

So far as I am aware I'm not writing in Dutch or Greek or any other difficult to understand language. So I'm not sure what is so tricky about

"Wrt to the other question: that was hyperbole aboput the 50 million autoimmune disease but what I meant was: at the moment you do have unvaccinated people who can stand up and give their experiences of disease and health. Quite often unvaccinated populations can report less auot-immune disease in terms of asthma, rheumatoid arthritis, allergy and so on. But forced vaccination would remove such a "control cohort" - such as it is."

Now I would have thought any person of average intelligence would be able to grasp this at first reading. Can you highlight the words and sentences which in particular you do not understand.

Also as I say I said "what are you going to do - vaccinate at gunpoint?" when linked to an article which recommends forced vaccination

What figures? Bubbly asked about childhood diseases being "back on the rise" - you linked that article in response. Now apparently it's not about forced vaccination despite the headline. Therefore it must contain some salient "facts" - your word - about childhood diseases being back on the rise. As the method we would use to examine childhood disease incidence would be through number, these are the figures I am requesting. If this article does not contain any numbers of disease incidence, and you do not link it for its interesting view on forced vaccination, I am at a loss to know why we are talking about it at all.

A clean environment would be a source nominally or ostensibly trustable by both sides, such as a journal, pubmed or government figures.

Blueberties · 18/09/2011 00:03

I am getting arsey in language but I do enjoy language sometimes.

Yes I agree - we are both doing what we think best for our children - we disagree on what it is though.

Blueberties · 18/09/2011 00:04

Aciutally it is a bit arsy in language that last but one post Blush

KouklaMoo · 18/09/2011 00:08

Ok, 1. Againn, re. 50,000 - do you have any figures to support this? I asked before? I'm not saying I disbelieve - but the day I take someone's word on a forum? Well..

  1. The article backed up my response to bubbley's question - you choose to focus on the forced vaccination part of the article - having admitted to never reading it - when I have already explained to you that forced vax is a topic dealt with in the last para - and something I personally disagree with.
  1. Is there such a thing - trusted by all sides?
KouklaMoo · 18/09/2011 00:10

Well, you know it's funny you say that blueberties - because I have a good friend in RL who is anti-vax. We just agree to differ - we don't argue about it, like all the bloody time. Wink

Blueberties · 18/09/2011 00:14

Koukla - do you know what hyperbole is? I've just realised that you probably don't.

Hyperbole -Hyperbole ( / h aɪ ˈ p ɜr b ə l iː / hy-pur-bə-lee Greek: ὑπερβολή, 'exaggeration') is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech.

I expected you to understand immediately that the question is - whether or not we have an unvaccinated cohort in the population with a different health experience. I didn't think you'd be unable to understand that. In that comment I used "hyperbole".

When you asked about that I immediately said "that was hyperbole - this is what I actually meant".

I've included a definition of hyperbole to help. I can't believe you aren't winding me up actually I must admit. I can't believe you didn't understand the first ref, don't know what hyperbole, didn't understand the third comment and STILL don't understand. I seriously think you're winding me up.

Re: backing up - yes but HOW does it back it up?

KouklaMoo · 18/09/2011 00:17

Oh stop it blueberties - I was warming to you Grin

KouklaMoo · 18/09/2011 00:18

Or, when I see my anti-vax friend next week - well, I'll just punch her Grin

Not really!

KouklaMoo · 18/09/2011 00:20

btw, I do totally understand an unvaccinated cohort in society who can act as a control group - my question was 'Do they?' have you the figures?

Blueberties · 18/09/2011 00:21

ha ha at the punching

now that's made me laugh

(and yes I know not really!)

sleep well

KouklaMoo · 18/09/2011 00:21

The answer is prob not - I know the gov is pretty reluctant to this type of research - but I would certainly be interested to see it!

KouklaMoo · 18/09/2011 00:22

All the best blue - sleep well :)

bumbleymummy · 18/09/2011 08:32

Koukla, do you live in the US? Measles has never been nearly eradicated in the UK. I also wouldn't say it is making a huge comeback. There are still fewer cases now than there were 10/15 years ago.

PfftTheMagicDraco · 18/09/2011 09:16

Well, this is fun Hmm

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