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To wonder what the govt has planned to punish those NOT on benefits?

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Glitterknickaz · 09/09/2011 16:41

News link

This is not the first time cutting benefits has been suggested as a punishment. How are the government proposing to punish parents who don't tackle truancy efficiently that aren't on benefits exactly? Just like the assertion that the rioters should lose benefits, yes because they were ALL on benefits weren't they? Hmm

Once again the government fuels the totally untrue daily mail esque belief that all of society's ills lie at the feet of benefits claimants. Apparently they are the root of all evil, eh? Hmm

Not one of the policies publicised has said what would happen to those who do not claim benefits.

Money designed for basic sustenance should not be removed imo. At the end of the day it is the children that will suffer from these measures.

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MABS · 09/09/2011 18:54

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noddyholder · 09/09/2011 18:58

Why would someone come here to post that sort of thing knowing it is a site for parents with a certain % with children with SN?

OpinionatedMum · 09/09/2011 18:59

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tethersend · 09/09/2011 18:59

There's only one reason really, isn't there?

meditrina · 09/09/2011 19:00

LineRunner: are they? I don't frequent such Tory pages, so wouldn't know.

I wanted only to point out that Dave's single sentence in today's speech isn't the whole story on the possible (Child) Benefit cut and that a more detailed and nuanced debate is ongoing.

It is also noticeable that this is a recycled Labour policy - presumably adopted to make it impossible for the opposition to disagree with it.

I think what we need is fresh thinking. But there doesn't seem to be anyone capable of that. And whilst we're broke, very circumscribed possibilities anyhow.

mamalino · 09/09/2011 19:01

I am so sick of this crap on MN. Really fucking fed up of reading such ignorant bollocks. I'm sticking to SN from now on in.

I used to love MN it's a shame but I can't cope with it any more and am fed up of feeling I have to stay and "educate" stupid pigshit wankers.

kidzrfreaky · 09/09/2011 19:02

Sorry guys. I have two "disabled" children. One with motor neurones and one with multiple sclerosis. There are child minders who specialise in children with SN. Why would I want to make my children feel different to thier NS siblings? What is it that makes me unable to work? What is it about being any parent with SN children that makes them unable to work to provide a good standard of living for their children? Ah yes of course - its the benefit system which ENTITLES them to stay home and do fuck all!

All I am asking is "What if there was no benefit system?" Would parents of SN children just give up on them?

noddyholder · 09/09/2011 19:03

I doubt it

OpinionatedMum · 09/09/2011 19:03

Why didn't you mention that earlier?? eh ??

OpinionatedMum · 09/09/2011 19:04

How much do these childminders cost?

LadyOfTheManor · 09/09/2011 19:04

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OpinionatedMum · 09/09/2011 19:04

Some of the mums on here could tell you...

bullet234 · 09/09/2011 19:05

Now come on, many of us are being very unfair to Kizrfreaky. They've obviously got it all sorted out in their minds, this wonderful "Brave New World" of theirs.
So, let's imagine this scenario Kidzrfreaky. It's 5 years later and the welfare state has been abolished, because a return to the "morals and values" of the 1930s has been decided upon. The care system has also been abolished, because it's now believed that everyone should be responsible for themselves and their families. You are in a car accident, a bad one that leaves you paralysed and brain damaged and unable to work. You're likely to live for a good many more decades, but you can't work. You need full time care. How are you going to support yourself?

K999 · 09/09/2011 19:06

Perhaps cos she has a job which pays mega bucks or a DP/DH who also earns mega bucks. Lucky her. Not everyone is so fortunate. Really, it must be lovely to be so ignorant yet so opinionated at the same time....

OpinionatedMum · 09/09/2011 19:07

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tethersend · 09/09/2011 19:07

Having two disabled children does not excuse your poisonous bile, kidzrfreaky.

You are still completely wrong.

OpinionatedMum · 09/09/2011 19:07

That was to LOTM.

kidzrfreaky · 09/09/2011 19:08

Because Opinionated I dont see my children as different to any other child. They need to eat and be clothed the same as their siblings. They are no different in fact. Why should I feel the need to compare them to others?

Their childminder costs the same as the childminder I use for my NS children. What difference does the cost make? All I need to know is that their needs are being provided for.

K999 · 09/09/2011 19:08

Well said OpinionatedMum

2shoes · 09/09/2011 19:08

I do love the idea that if someone is caring for a disabled child they must be on benefits, or refuse to work...
I could write realms about why i don't go out to work why I don'y have a chils minder(pmsl at that by the way) but this thread has too many antis on it.

LadyOfTheManor · 09/09/2011 19:09

I have certain issues with certain benefits. Disability benefits aren't one of them before you start. I think society, as a whole, should be grateful that we have a support net and provisions in place to help and support disabled families..because as many posters have pointed out, otherwise the disabled would end up in state care or on the streets.

2shoes · 09/09/2011 19:10

LadyOfTheManor that post I will agree with

kidzrfreaky · 09/09/2011 19:10

Bullet. The situation you describe would be very unfortunate. One we would all commiserate with. What exactly has that to do with a perfectly able bodied parent who chooses to stay at home because "I have a child with SN?"

K999 · 09/09/2011 19:10

I am presuming LOTM you have never claimed benefits? Do you get child benefit?

OpinionatedMum · 09/09/2011 19:11

Well the unemployed would be on the streets too.

Are you immune from unemployment?